"Bloargh!"Derrick Rose: Last night, the rook had 1 measely assist (versus 16 shot attempts and 3 turnovers) in almost 39 minutes of PT. It was his second 1-assist game of this short season. Now, when I brought this up yesterday, people were defending Rose by basically saying "his teammates suck." But -- and I'm just checking here -- aren't these the same guys that Drew Gooden (3 assists), Luol Deng (also 3 assists), and Kirk Hinrich (3 assists) were passing to? And isn't Rose charged with handling the rock and running the offense most of the game? Oh, and regarding that "teammates suck" theory: Kirk "I'm the backup now" Hinrich hasn't dished for fewer than 3 dimes in the team's first four games. Hell, Earl Watson hasn't dished fewer than four assists yet this season...and he's playing for the
Oklahoma City Thunder.
In the last three games, Rose has 5 assists, 8 turnovers and 50 [!!] shot attempts. And so my point remains the same: A shot-to-assist ratio of 10-to-1 is
not what you want from your starting point guard. Look, I'm not trying to demean Rose's talent. He's super quick and can get to the hole at will. He sort of strikes me as a more athletic version of Tony Parker, except he's not French or a woman. But, like Parker, he's not a true playmaker. He's more of a scoring point guard. More accurately, he's a shooting guard trapped in a point guard's body. That concerns me because he's the franchise's new cornerstone, and Chicago desperately needs a guy who isn't just a great individual player...but someone who makes his teammates better.
For comparison's sake, check out Chris Paul's
game log from his rookie season for the Hornets. He didn't have a single 1-assist game all season. Now check out
the roster. It's not like it was playing with the Super Friends.
Luol Deng: Is Deng in a shooting slump? What could you call 31 percent shooting (14-for-44) over four games? And that includes the first game of the season -- during which all the Bulls padded their stats -- when he shot 8-for-13. Since then Luol has gone 6-for-31 from the field (19 percent). Let's hope last night's 1-point, 0-for-8 shooting performance was Deng's way of bottoming out. But this is one of those times I'd like to remind everybody that Deng was the one player John Paxson declared "untouchable" when the Lakers were semi-shopping Kobe at the beginning of last season. FACEPALM.
The Bulls' end-of-game plan: "Hey guys, we're down only two points with 23 seconds left. Let's have Ben Gordon shoot an off-balance, fade-away jumper over slam dunk champ Dwight Howard with 15 seconds left on the clock to try and tie things up!" Seriously. That's the best shot, and the best use of the clock, that the Bulls could manage with the game on the line? DOUBLE FACEPALM.
J.J. Redick: From sixth man to DNP-CD in only four games. That
has to be some kind of record.
The Bobcats "big guns": Jason Richardson was 2-for-10. Gerald Wallace was 3-for-10. Both men were outplayed by Adam Morrison...offensively, anyway: Adam was 4-for-6, including 2-for-2 from downtown, for his 10 points.
Kwame Brown: He was actually surprisingly effective last night: 9 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals and 2 blocked shots and (SHOCK ALERT!) no turnovers. But -- and you knew there was a "but" coming, right? -- he was 1-for-6 from the field. And four of those misses were layups. He also inexplicably took a 15-foot jumper, which is about 15 feet out of his range.
Rasheed Wallace, quote machine: How do you feel about the trade, 'Sheed? "Do we like the trade? Maybe not. Ain't no telling. I can't talk about it until we see what happens. Who knows?" Oh, also, Wallace received his first technical of the season last night.
Jersey number disputes: Whenever a superstar changes teams, there's always the chance that somebody is going to get screwed. In the case of the Detroit-Denver trade, Rodney Stuckey will probably have to surrender his jersey number 3 to Allen Iverson. But apparently it will at least require a conversation. Said Stuckey: "We're going to have to talk about it, I guess." Talk about what, exactly? Money, perhaps? "Like I said, we'll talk about it." At any rate, it sounds like Stuckey is resigned to the change. He's already talking about his new number. "I want to do a single number, so I'll probably do something like 9 or something."
Joe Dumars' "master plan": I'm sorry, but if the plan really is to make a big run at Bosh, Wade or James in 2010, it's a flawed plan. I guarantee that Bosh and Wade are going to re-sign with their teams, and LeBron is either staying in Cleveland or bolting for New York. Anyway, here's a fun comment from Basketbawful reader
anacondahl: "Perhaps the Pistons trade is an indirect way of admitting to the fans 'Yeah, we screwed up in 2003, sorry. We want to make it up to you in 2010.'" Oh, and geert had a suggestion for what to call it when the front office tries to redress a mistake they made years earlier: "What about make-up management? Like make-up calls, but by the front office of a team." I like it.
Sloppy journalism that gets it right: Basketbawful reader
lord kerrance discovered a funny: "Check out
this article from TSN. Not sure how long the gaffe will stay up, but right now it says the AI trade gives Iverson a chance to win a championship, something he wouldn't have been able to do with the Pistons. Inadvertantly truer words have never been spoken." Indeed. Here's the screen capture:
The Sacramento Kings: Quick quiz: When does 0-3 feel more like 0-10? Answer: When you lose those first three games by a combined 66 points. The Kings may very well be the worst team in the league.
Kevin Martin: Sacramento's future is struggling with the present: He's averaging 17.8 PPG on 38.6 percent shooting so far. This from a guy who a lot of people thought might lead the league in scoring this season. He's finding out that sometimes it's really hard to be The Man. Anyway, last night he was 4-for-10 and had the worst +/- score on the team (-27). He has, for the moment, surrendered "Best Player on the Team" status to Spencer Hawes. Yes, Spencer Hawes.
Kareem Rush: He apparently hasn't realized that his last name is "Rush" and not "Abdul-Jabbar," because he's already complaning about his lack of PT this season. "It's very discouraging. I didn't plan on this when I signed here, but it's the way it is. A lot of these guys have been here for a number of years and played with (coach Maurice) Cheeks a number of years, so I think it's a familiarity thing that he has with these guys." Yeah, or maybe Cheeks is just familiar with
your career numbers.
The Golden State Warriors. They scored only 79 points. Against the Memphis Grizzlies. The Nellieballers shot 34 percent from the field (33-for-93) and 15 percent from Threeland (3-for-20). Stephen Jackson (6-for-21, 2-for-9 in threes) was the primary bricklayer, but it's worth noting that Al Harrington and Corey Maggette combined to shoot 0-for-9 from downtown. This offense would really benefit from a true point guard, and I'm not talking about Monta Ellis.
Andris Biedrins: Nice defense there, Andy. You let Marc Gasol erupt for 27 points (on 9-for-11 shooting) and 16 rebounds. Said Biedrins: "He really made us pay for not keeping attention to him. We were more worried about Mayo and Rudy Gay, and didn't think about (Gasol) so much." Uh, nice excuse. But you probably should have noticed a little sooner than after the game.
Update! From Basketbawful reader
Derek: "Also, on the ESPN recap the headline reads 'Gasol, Biedrins help Grizzlies end losing streak vs. Warriors,' further cementing his contributions."
He's right.
Anthony Randolph: One trillion!
The Dallas Mavericks: They fell to 0-2 at home after getting spanked, and spanked hard, by the Cleveland Cavaliers. Their shooting was lousy -- Dirk Nowitzki was 3-for-10, including seven straight clanks -- and their rebounding was atrocious (they got pounded 52-35). If this keeps up, Dallas fans are going to start getting nostalgic for the Avery Johnson era. Once again...FACEPALM.
Each time Mark Cuban suffers, a kitten is born.The Los Angeles Clippers: Baron Davis and Marcus Camby actually played last night, but you hardly would have noticed. The Clips scored only 73 points at home and let the still Deron William-less Jazz beat them down. In particular, Paul Milsap (24 points, 8-for-12, 9 rebounds) walked all over them. Yup...they are who we thought they were.
Kyrylo Fesenko and Kosta Koufos: They each submitted a
Mario last night against the Clippers. That's what they get for having names that sound like they were created by Stan Lee.
Kobe Bryant: He farted in a public elevator yesterday. And he had eaten a cabbage, liver and onion burrito for lunch.
Labels: Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, Derrick Rose, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers, Sacramento Kings
But yeah, Camby and Kaman definitely deserve Worst of the Nights for allowing 2nd-round drafted bench player Milsapp (who is 3-4 inches shorter than both of them) just dance his way around them and grab all their easy rebounds through sheer effort.
However, both teams deserve a Worst of the Night for that abysmal first half. That was just painful to watch.
Thx for more terminologies: FACEPALM!
Since you love StarTrek, who, player or GM in the NBA, would be the ideal Klingon, Romulan, Quark (Ferrengi, pricks), and BORG?
On the plus side he seems to be a big upgrade over Kirk and BG as a tweener guard.
Do you think Detroit will make the conference finals this year? Does the team have a worse chance at beating Boston than they did last year?
If you answer "yes" to the first and "no" to the second, what is the problem? Seriously, what is the problem here? Detroit isn't made LESS competitive by adding a title-less aging superstar (unless you think Detroit WON'T make the conference finals), and will seamlessly move Stuckey into the PG spot next year. Detroit will remain very competitive while the other powers of the decade are declining. (In a few years, San Antonio, Phoenix, and even Boston will be done, and Detroit will still be contending.)
Sure; Lebron ain't coming to Detroit. He wasn't anyway. Detroit will have the money to sign the cream of this year's free agent market, and the non-Lebron cream of next year's. That will make for a very competitive team, which you wouldn't have if you kept the aging Billups and his salary for the two(?) years. Instead, you'd be re-tooling in a year (2010) that, because of this trade, Detroit will be making a title run for the 10th consecutive year.
The cost of it is Billups. But again, unless you think Detroit won't make the conference finals with this crew, this team's as good as the previous three years' teams, so Detroit gets at least a "push" this year in exchange for remaining a title-contender for the foreseeable future.
further cementing his contributions.
Mark me in the "garbage teammates" column for now.
"From sixth man to DNP-CD in only four games."
I have just regained a little faith in the basketball universe.
Redick better align his NBA expections into Steve Kerr territory quick.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2008/10/24/2008-10-24_americas_oldest_college_hoopster_ken_min.html
Its great to see players like Ken Mink and Greg Oden defying their age for the love of the game.
Borg - Greg Popovitch
Romulan - Jerry Sloan
If they ever make a sequel to Unbreakable, we know who should play Mr. Glass.
No Kobe mention again, but it is kinda tough to keep bringing him up when the NBA only schedules two Laker games in 10 days (who thought that up?).
I know it's early but Marc Gasol is putting up 13 points and 10 boards for the year. If he keeps up something resembling this pace and wins the Rookie of the Year, will last year's Pau Gasol trade end up looking like as much of a heist as everyone has thus far thought it was?
Joakim Noah only got five minutes of PT last night? Is he in Vinny's doghouse or something?
Also, it looks like Morris Almond had a one trillion last night, and Brian Skinner narrowly avoided a two trillion thanks to picking up a foul.
Still, it's a dubious accomplishment, along with letting Marc Gasol walk all over him.
And facepalm isn't just /b/tardedness. Picard is just awesome (see: ytmnd, et al.).
Klingon: Dwight Howard (somehow I imagine him in honorable combat with a bat'leth)
Ferrengi: Mark Cuban (way too easy)
Romulan: Seconding Jerry Sloan vote
Borg: Bruce Bowen
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The Ferengi finally hit me - Sam Freakin' Cassell. Seriously - no makeup required.
Borg: Rasho Nesterovic.
As for the trade - I'm far from certain Detroit are going to the conference finals this year. Iverson is horribly inefficient when he decides to "take over games" and he will try it far too often. There is no AI in "team."
It is true that they're going to their next generation players almost seamlessly though.
Facepalm of course isn't exclusive to 4chan (not anymore), but it's where it started, along with virtually every other internet meme. Just funny to see it show up here.
Row Row.
I mean these NBA Ballers kinda look like their R&B counterparts, I must say!
-BJ
tonious35 -- I didn't want to make a TJ Ford comparison. Think I'll leave it at that...
chrish -- A definite upgrade in that area, especially since he can get to the basket and stuff. He's also much more of an Alpha Dog than those guys are. In fact, he's the most Alpha we've had in Chicago since Jordan left.
al james -- Regarding the chemistry issue, I'm not suggesting AI is going to be a malcontent or a locker room cancer. Only that a big part of the Pistons' success these last few years has been predicated on the players knowing each other so well...and for my money, that starts with Billups. I also think that AI is a loss defensively...and the Pistons have been, first and foremost, a defensive team. Furthermore, can Iverson be effective in a spread-the-wealth offense?
There are just so many questions. I will say this, though: If Dumars was going to make a move like this, at least he did it very early in the season. That gives him almost 80 games to evaluate how AI fits in and whether he'll be a part of their future plans. That would have been nearly impossible if he'd waited until the trade deadline.
anonymous #1 -- Actually, I don't think Detroit will make the Conference Finals this year. I wasn't sure they would anyway, but this trade pretty much cements it. IMHO.
derek -- Thanks! Updated.
kevin -- Wow. "Ugh" doesn't begin to describe it. Well, Rick Carlisle never was known as an offensive coach...
cortez -- Earl Watson wants to talk to you about Garbage teammates. For that matter, so does Mark Jackson, who broke John Stockton's stranglehold on the NBA annual assist title by averaging 12.3 APG playing for the 1996-97 Denver Nuggets...a team that was so awesome it won 21 whole games.
Anyway, I agree: Redick needs to camp out in the corner and spend roughly 99 percent of his practice time shooting threes.
baguete -- I did see that a couple weeks ago. I've been meaning to say something about it. Thanks for the reminder.
lord kerrance -- I'm gonna use that unlucky analogy at some point. Just so's you knows...
Yams -- No, I'm not a /b/tard, and I had no idea what that meant until now. Because, of course, I had to look it up. Basically, all images on Basketbawful are found using a simple Google image search for a word that pops into my mind while writing. The Kobe omission is fixed (and the light early schedule was provided by Stern so Kobe could recover from the Olympics and prepare for Lakers-Celtics II in the Finals this year). Ach. Almond, in fact, had a Mario last night. I will fix that. I agree Marc looks better than expected and might challenge for ROY. Joakim, I read somewhere, is a little knicked up. But I think the real issue is that he is basically a less athletic version of Tyrus...and the team is less focused on developing him.
anonymous #2 -- And my contention is that a superstar-in-the-making PG should, first and foremost, get his teammates high-percentage shots near the basket. Sure, his teammates are shooting poorly...but he's partly responsible for the kinds of shots they're getting.
drake -- Biedrins will always hit the boards and get his layups/putbacks. But God, he was a defensive nightmare. And he basically admitted he wasn't paying attention to Gasol.
anonymous #3 -- The difference with Williams is that's how Sloan chose to develop him. Whereas Rose has been handed the ball and given control of the team from the get-go. And I'm not saying that Rose can't become a competent floor leader and a franchise player, but he's got to develop his playmaking abilities, pronto. Because you'll be hard-pressed to find many shoot-first point guards who have become true franchise players in the NBA.
timmothy -- And this site loves you.
baddave -- Jesus, man. How could you forget: Reggie Miller is the Ferengi!
czernobog -- Agreed. Pistons clearly fell behind Cleveland with this trade.
bj -- I'm a little disturbed by the Mavs' start to the season. I mean, yeah, they'll probably get it together, but damn.
I'll take any one of these guys in their respective postions over ANYONE the Bulls have lining up nightly with the possible exception of Deng vs. Ellis.
...and that's even a maybe!
The AI trade may really help the Pistons in the long term with caproom, but I agree that it makes their chances of getting back to the Finals even slimmer. It probably limits their chances of even making to the ECFs again. Iverson is one of the least efficient players in the league who dominates the ball and puts up a ton of shots. His presence on the court with a bunch of other great players will probably just limit what those other guys can contribute on offense. Also, his proclivity for gambling on D will weaken the Piston's defense, which has saved their ass more than once. Finally, I have a hard time seeing him play effectively as a PG, which means that the Pistons will be splitting time trying to fit a square peg into a round hole there and thrusting Stuckey into the playmaker role a bit earlier than they probably should. It's a good long term move once AI and Sheed are gone next summer, but I don't expect it to have much upside for this season.
The Mavs and the Spurs have both stumbled badly out of the blocks this year. Luckily for one of those teams they're playing each other tonight, so someone's gonna out-suck the other and make someone look good by comparison. I read somewhere that right now the Spurs have statistically the worst defense in the league, and that is very telling, despite the SSS.
I remain completely confounded by the Spurs total lack of offseason moves this summer. How could a front office which has been nails for the last decade not see the writing on the wall after their decrepit corps ran out of gas so miserably last year? Even the most novice of hoops fans could have told you the last thing the Spurs needed was to get a year older with no real wholesale changes coming. Even more confusing is that those wholesale changes should have been relatively easy to pull off. They already have their Big 3, they just needed some younger, more athletic role players, and there's often lots of them around any given offseason.
As for the Mavs, their problem is Mark Cuban's myopia as an owner to overvalue Dirk and Josh Howard (and just about anyone else who plays for his team). Sure, getting rid of Avery was probably a step in the right direction, but Red Auerbach and John Wooden working together weren't gonna get that Mavs team to a title this year - they just don't have the parts anymore. The Mavs should have traded Dirk well before this point and tried a new mix, but instead they're doomed to a long slow death because Cuban thinks the basketball world rises and sets with Herr Nowitzki.
BTW, for anyone else who wants to see another 4chan meme get worked into the basketblogosphere, here's a horrendous Bel Air involving Kobe. What can I say? Fail.
And we got outrebounded and we're having problems with 3s and our free-throw percentage stinks AND Coach can't decide on a starting two . . .
-BJ
But once I fully realized what had happened, then yes, a small part of me died.
Yams -- Your analysis of the Spurs and Mavs are spot on. Also, I've been meaning to ask you a few questions. Could you please drop me a line at the basketbawful@yahoo.com?
That entire statement is so wrong. The Clips are 3-0, Baron Davis is having a career year, along with the rest of the players. Ricky D. is playing unselfishly. All the old dudes (Cat, Camby, you know who you are) are reverting back to their young selves, things are great.
I don't know where you get your information from.
It's great to be a Clips fan.
Ever since Elton Brand turned into a PF version of MJ and stayed for less money, things have been great.
That's how awful I feel about this trade...
There are like 4 real point guards in the NBA... we just traded one of them to rent what's left of Allen Iverson. No matter HOW you slice it this move sucked...
I BLEED Piston's basketball and I'd bet 20 bucks straight up that Iverson will NOT be popular in Detroit. Despite all the frustration we liked the whole "Team" thing...
Allen Iverson needs to be at least 50% of his teams offense to be useful.
He's also not a damn PG so stop saying that.
This sucks... f*(k basketball this year man...
:(
ANTOINEWALKERNBACHAMPION
*cringes*
I think Del Negro needs to pull a Sloan and make him come off the bench this season.
Speaking of Sloan....go Jazz.
No. They were passing to Rose, that's how they got their assists
:P
Ok, now seriously, I see what you mean. And I agree to a degree that a true playmaker makes plays for others (just like a "tru warier" worries about others or something). He may not be Chris Paul, but for sure he's not Allen Iverson.
Watching the games I could see him feeding the ball in pretty good spots to Tyrus and Deng mostly, only to see them miss the shot or just hesitate to take the shot. What I did not see was him ball hogging. In fact Kirk still is the biggest ball hog on the bulls with his overdribbling at 30 feet out and his half drives followed by going back out at 30 feet for some more dribbling.
And even if he isn't the next Chris Paul, even if he won't average 10+ ast/game he can still be great and make his team-mates better. Even if he'll be a shoot first guy.
If he's somewhere in the middle between CP3 and Arenas in terms of shooting/passing, he'll be great. Yeah, I said Arenas. I know he's considered a ball hog and nowhere near a pass first PG, but he does make his teammates better. Caron and Hughes, amongst others, have had their best seasons while playing with Arenas. And Jamison's numbers were not hurt either.
That's about the worst excuse ever. "Hey we were watching Bin Laden and Robert Mugabe closely but we forgot about that other guy and now thousands of people are dead, oh well, he showed us"
I'd play along with this Klingon thing but I know nothing of Star Trek.
AI and Sheed on the same team? This is too good to be true.
there's still hope. please call a helpline before contemplating suicide.
it's not as bad as you think.
No fucking way.
...but if it did, you can rest assured that the universe would spilt open and swallow itself whole if that did happen.
We would be doomed anyway so it would be that major, relatively speaking.
I have to say, the Rockets have a lot of talent on their team, but they're actually fairly undersized outside of Yao, considering he's the only center on the team. When he went out with foul problems suddenly it was like they were playing Scola and Landry at center with Artest at PF or something, and that's a rather drastic change compared to what they look like when Yao is in the game. Additionally, due to Yao's almost non-existent athleticism (as mentioned above) he seems to really be held in check quite well when he goes up against a team that has some size like Boston (8 points, 7 boards, 4-14 FG last night).
I think the Rockets need to sign another center (is Mutombo still available out there for them?) if they really want a shot at beating the Lakers and advancing to the Finals. They might have problems with the Suns as well for this same reason, though that depends on how well Shaq holds up this year. With the injury problems Yao has had recently I can't believe the Rockets front office didn't set aside one or two roster spots for backup centers, especially since Yao is currently the only guy over 6'9 on the team.
Also, last night was a good example of Ron Artest playing selfishly on offense. 3-10 from three point range? Yikes. I don't know if the Celtics' stifling defense was just baiting him and the rest of the Rockets into settling for perimeter shots, but he is nowhere near a good enough 3-pt shooter to be attempting 10 threes in a game.
This is true. Though nobody that short has ever lead his team to a ring playing like this.