KI-YAH
Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting...

Note: Thanks to Matt E. for the pic.

The Sixers' defense: Ruh roh, Raggy. As a team, Philly must have suffered damage to the part of the brain that tells the hand to get in the face of open shooters. (I think it's the parietal lobe, right?) The Raptors nearly started a wildfire with their three-point sniping (almost 63 percent from downtown) and they also got a number of uncontested buckets at the rim. Said Elton Brand: "It's disappointing. There's (game) tape in the background and I see these layups they got. It hurts." It might hurt a little less, Elton, if you contributed some blocked shots, Elton. Speaking of which...

Elton Brand: He had 14 points and 13 rebounds, but it took him 14 shots and six free throw attempts to get those points. He also turned the ball over 4 times without registering an assist. He suffered more blocked shots (1) than he doled out (0), and he committed 4 fouls. Quite the debut.

Theo Ratliff: Damn you, Theo. You just had to block a shot and ruin your four trillion, didn't you?

Philly fans: They were excited about the World Series. I get that. But I'm guessing the Sixers weren't exactly inspired by the fact that half of their arena was empty and the half that wasn't was rooting loudly for a baseball team. It would be like if the midget I pay to cheer me on during sex was raving about his favorite NASCAR driver or something.

Andrea Bargnani: Mr. Former Number One Draft Pick scored zero points (0-for-4) in almost 20 minutes. But at least he didn't commit any turnovers!

Update! Toronto's first quarter rebounding: From Basketbawful reader Colin: "Although I'm a Raptors fan, they have to be on there for WotN. From Doug Smith's Toronto Raptors in-game blog: 'We're just told by Media Relations czar Jim LaBumbard that the 22 rebounds that Toronto gave up in the first quarter equal the most given up in any quarter ever. So, we've seen history! Lucky us.' 22 rebounds? In the first quarter? Double-you-tee-eff?" Good thing they dealt for "big man" Jermaine O'Neal, huh?

Royal Ivey: He's on Philly's active roster, but he was ineligible to play last night (and Friday against the Knicks). Why, you ask? Because dude is still serving the three game suspension he received for punching Aaron Gray in the groin last season. Maybe you remember it...


Foul shooting in the Hawks-Magic game: Ugh. Atlanta missed 13 and Orlando missed 10. But, in all fairness to the Magic, Dwight Howard accounted for 7 of their misses. Speaking of which...

Dwight Howard: I could easily rag on Hedo (5-for-17) or Rashard (5-for-12, 6 fouls), but Superman not only missed all those 'throws, he also committed 4 turnovers and had his junk stuffed four times. Oh, and he almost fouled out. Kinda takes the shine off that 22 and 15, doesn't it?

J.J. Redick: Last week, I read an exited article about how J.J. was finally ready to break into Stan Van's rotation and actually contribute. Well, uhm, didn't happen last night: 2 points, 0-for-4 shooting, 1 rebound, zero assists, and 1 turnover in nearly 19 minutes of lack-tion. Don't worry, J.J. They saved your spot on the bench for you.

Mario West: He finally got some significant PT! For him, anyway. A whole two minutes and 48 seconds. Sadly, the only thing he managed to do was block a shot. He did have a +/- score of +8, though, which means he was more productive than Al Horford. Yay for Mario!

Mike Woodson, quote machine: "When you're on the road you have to come out and try to establish yourself and not get hit in the mouth."

Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison: Caron shto 3-for-11 and committed 4 turnovers, while Jamison shot 6-for-18 and grabbed only 3 rebounds...two fewer than the Nets' Devin Harris. I should also mention that Antawn was 1-for-8 from downtown. Dude, at some point you've gotta stop shooting them, feel me?

The Miami Heat: Oooooo. They got seduced into playing Mike D'Antoni's style, and they paid for it. Six Knicks dropped double-figures on them, and Chris Duhon was 1 point short of making it seven. The two teams combined to attempt almost 200 shots and nearly 50 freethrows. It's like D'Antoni's mere presence creates a giant No-Defense bubble that can only be punctured by the Spurs.

The Associated Press: Basketbawful reader barry drew my attention to this gem from the Heat-Knicks writeup: "And [the Knicks] did it without former coach Isiah Thomas' two prized acquisitions, Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry. D'Antoni kept both former starters on the bench, ignoring rather loud chants of 'We want Steph! We want Steph!' late in the third quarter." I might frame that paragraph and put it up in my bathroom.

Stephon Marbury, quote machine: "He should do whatever he feels he should do. I can't control what he does. He's the coach. If this is what it is, I mean there's always next year." Yeah, because what exactly is going to change between now and then? I seriously doubt somebody's going to hire Isiah to GM again.

Eddy Curry: It seems Baby Shaq was a little upset about his benching. Seems Curry spent the fourth quarter in the training room icing a sore right knee. How do you hurt your knee on the bench? I guess he must have been sitting in an uncomfortable position. "I want to stay here. I'm happy in New York. I just think it'll take some work, but I'm happy staying," said Eddy through what I'm assuming were gritted teeth. (Also, apparently Eddy hurt his knee in a "collision during practice." Which might become my new catch-all euphemism for when a player gets benched for arguing with his coach.

Kwame Brown: Mr. I Was Also Picked Number One Overall In The Draft played just a shade over three minutes in his Pistons debut, scoring zero points on 0-for-2 shooting and grabbing no rebounds. I think we should tattoo FAIL on his left butt cheek. We should also do that to Michael Jordan for drafting this stiff.

Kevin Love: Huhn...12 points, 9 rebounds, 2 assists, a steal, 2 blocked shots, and by far the hightest +/- score on the team (+20). All in only 18 minutes! Not bad, rook. So why is he in Worst of the Night? Because if Love keeps playing like this, he's going to win Rookie of the Year and cost us a season's worth of Kevin McHale jokes.

Randy Wittman, quote machine: "Kevin Love played great for his first game as a rookie." Thanks, coach. Couldn't have figured that out without you.

Shaq: Remember how The Big Grumpy got all persnickety a couple weeks ago about Gregg Popovich's decision to Hack-A-Shaq him during last year's first round Suns-Spurs series? Well, Pops gave Diesel a little dose of it only seconds into last night's game. Note the look of complete and utter confusion on Shaq's face. It's like somebody asked him to spell thromboembolism or something. As for Popovich? Best thumbs up ever.


I should point out, though, that Pops did use the Hack-A-Shaq for real later in the game. But when Ime Udoka went to foul the Daddy, Shaq used his left arm to send Ime to the floor...just like swatting a fly.

Update! Shaq, quote machine: As noted, San Antonio went to the Hack-A-Shaq, for the final 97 seconds of the first half. But Shaq somewhat defied the strategy by going 5-for-8, after which he said: "You may win a game or two using a mathematical strategy, but in the long run it will never work." Right. And "a game or two" would never effect the outcome of a playoff series, would it, Shaq? Thanks to andrei for supplying the quotage.

O.J. Mayo: He helped make Kevin McHale look like a genius by scoring 10 points on 20 shots and notching more TOs (3) than assists (2). He was also 0-for-7 from Threeland and had the second-worst +/- score on his team (-15).

Quinton Ross: From Basketbawful reader Zimmerman: "Just wanted to ensure that Quintin Ross gets due credit for registering an 8 trillion and thereby matching the rest of the Grizzlies squad for 3 pointers made." Consider the credit given. Amusingly enough, Ross still had a butter +/- score (+2) than any of the Memphis starters. As for that three-point marksmanship...

The Grizzlies' three-point shooting: A gak-inducing 0-for-13. Where's Antoine Walker when you need him?!

People getting too excited about the Rockets: Look, people. They scored an 11-point home win over a truly dreadful Memphis squad. Yet I swear somebody on ESPN declared the "Ron Artest experiment" a "total success" last night. Oooookay, if you say so...

The whole Grizzlies-Rockets game: Zimmerman correctly dubbed this game a "festival of fail" and even Artest said "It was ugly." Both teams shot in the 30s: Memphis hit 38 percent (31-for-81) of their shots while Houston hit only 36 percent (28-for-76) of theirs. Both teams also registered more turnovers than assists: The Griz were 11/16 and the Rockets were 10/12. It was one of those slow-it-down, slog-it-out affairs that made me wonder if Houston had reinstated Jeff Van Gundy as the coach.

The Denver Nuggets: The Jazz were forced to start Ronnie Price in place of the injured Deron Williams, and Price spit in Jerry Sloan's face by shooting 1-for-9. Note also that the Jazz had only 4 assists in the first quarter, and none of them were dished out by a guard. Thanks, Ronnie. But the Nuggets couldn't take advantage of Utah's vulnerability. Most likely because of...

Carmelo Anthony: 'Melo couldn't play because he was serving the first of a two-game suspension from a DUI arrest over the summer. Wag of the finger, Carmelo. Wag of the finger.

Juwan Howard: Yes! He's still alive and playing for the Nuggets! Technically speaking, anyway. He spent seven minutes on the court last night and managed 1 lonely rebound and was zero-for-everything-else. But, you know, there's no way to measure what he gave the team in Veteran Leadership (TM).

Los Angeles Clippers: GOD. They were spanked so badly by the Lakers last night -- 117-79 -- that I think we should seriously consider moving them out of L.A. How does "The Gerber-Las Flores Clippers" sound to you? I think it has quite the nice ring to it. And I know what you're thinking, Baron, and the answer is: Nope, you cannot go back to the Warriors. Sorry, no takebacks.

Ricky Davis: He had more assists (6) than shot attempts (5). So I guess it's time to go check his basement for Body Snatcher pods...who's with me? Anyone? Bueller?

Update! Baron Davis, team leader: From Basketbawful reader Wild Yams: "This is probably WOTN-worthy as well: After the 38-point loss to the Lakers last night, the LA Times is reporting that Baron Davis held a closed door players only meeting with the rest of the Clippers. Has that ever happened following a team's home opener before? It's a bit early in the year to go to that isn't it?" Indeed it is. Even Baron seemed a little embarrassed about it afterward. From the same article: "I mean, no, it was kind of a get-together," Davis said, fumbling out the words. "It wasn't really like no team meeting, nothing special like that. It was just an understanding that that's a winning team over there." Uh huh.

Update! Baron Davis, quote machine: "All of the credit goes to them for smacking us upside the head that first game,. In the end, we're going to be able to look back at this game and thank the Lakers for this." YES SIR! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER, SIR!

Kobe Bryant: My sources tell me that the Dark Lord has completed construction of his very own Imperial Death Star. After successfully testing it last night against the hapless Clippers, Kobe was quoted as saying: "Fear will keep the other divisions in line. Fear of this battle station. And of my new nickname: The Doberman! Rarf! Rrrrrrarf!!"

Scot Pollard: This is a day late, but hey, Scot. You're a real class act. I hope Kevin Garnett kicked your ass for this.

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Yes, Scot. We all know you're number one at sucking.

Update! Scot Pollard, interviewee: More from Wild Yams: "Does anyone have the video of the Scott Pollard 'interview' from the Celtics-Cavs game the other day? I say 'interview' because it was essentially a TNT sideline reporter sitting next to him and talking about his championship ring for maybe 30 seconds or so, and then right as Pollard started to say something they cut the interview off and went back to the game. You could practically feel the sideline reporter shooting him a 'shut up and just show off the ring, dummy' look." You're absolutely right. And here's the video. (What the hell is up with Craig's finger nail?!)


Adam Morrison: Ugh. More horrifying pictures of Adam Morrison have surfaced. Here he is in the middle of his Britney Spears moment. More on this cut-tastrophe at Bobcats Baseline.

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28 Comments:
Anonymous TehJay said...
I would like to point out that the Hawks/Magic game featured a stunning nine Marios. And amazingly, none of them was Mario West (though he just barely avoided a 3 trillion by blocking a shot). Is this some kind of record?

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281029019

Blogger BJ said...
Not in the brain; the arm-control nerve is somewhere in the 76er's disgusting bellies. Do not question me! I control your arms!
-BJ

Blogger Andrei said...
I know that you already referenced Shaq in the post, but could I get a math fail for Shaq as well. Speaking of the Hack-a-Shaq strategy he had this to say: "You may win a game or two using a mathematical strategy, but in the long run it will never work," Shaq said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-081029&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1

Blogger reuben said...
That knick game was..fun.. to watch.. Wow, it was weird saying that without throwing up in my mouth a little.

I think Kobe should never be called by his name anymore. The Dark lord/price is awesome. The lakers should get introduced to the imperial march, with cloaks on.

Blogger Wild Yams said...
Does anyone have the video of the Scott Pollard "interview" from the Celtics-Cavs game the other day? I say "interview" because it was essentially a TNT sideline reporter sitting next to him and talking about his championship ring for maybe 30 seconds or so, and then right as Pollard started to say something they cut the interview off and went back to the game. You could practically feel the sideline reporter shooting him a "shut up and just show off the ring, dummy" look.

This is probably WOTN-worthy as well: after the 38 point loss to the Lakers last night, the LA Times is reporting that Baron Davis held a closed door players only meeting with the rest of the Clippers. Has that ever happened following a team's home opener before? It's a bit early in the year to go to that isn't it?

Anonymous Shrugz said...
wow the crowd cheer FOR Marbury
who woulda thought? LOL

Blogger Colin said...
Although I'm a Raptors fan, they have to be on there for WOTN.

From Doug Smith's Toronto Raptors in-game blog:

"We're just told by Media Relations czar Jim LaBumbard that the 22 rebounds that Toronto gave up in the first quarter equal the most given up in any quarter ever. So, we've seen history! Lucky us."

22 rebounds? in the first quarter? double-you-tee-eff?

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Michael Jordan drafted a kid based on his potential. Teams do it several times a year and it's easy to forget in hindsight that guys like Kwame, Darko and Tskitishvili were considered can't-miss by most if not all the "experts." I find that a lot more excusable than the GMs of competitive teams who keep giving Kwame decent sized contracts to keep, uh, "plying his trade." So Dumars deserves that fail tattoo before MJ.

Anonymous your favourite sun said...
Charlie Bell had one of those passes-to-nobody near the end of the Bucks game, similar to Lamar Odom's the other night. I don't know if anybody uploads Milwaukee videos but if you can find that, we could like try starting a streak of how many nights in a row somebody does that play.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
basketbawful, I feel so forever indebted to you for the ferris bueller quote. keep it up man.

Anonymous Crash said...
I like the way Craig Sager rolled the rrrrs when he said "three emeralds." Channeling a little inner leprechaun there Craig?

Anonymous Brian Ng said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwZVK8Dz0mQ

Kobe and his new guitar hero commercial :D

Anonymous Nick F. (Buck Nasty) said...
The clips hung around in the first. They could get better over the course of the season.

Okay, I know, I'm supposed to say that there's always next season. But the Sun's one, yeehaw.

Blogger Basketbawful said...
tehjay -- Actually, a Mario is only awarded to players who get less than one full minute of PT. So no true Marios in that game.

bj -- My arms...they do your bidding! NOOOOO!

andrei -- Added.

reuben -- Yeah. Yeah, it was. Hey, like I said in my Knicks preview on Deadspin, they're still going to lose most of the time (I think), but at least watching them lose is going to be fun. And that's a step in the right direction.

wild yams -- Yes. Added and added.

shrugz -- Yeah, but you know, I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic.

colin -- Added.

anonymous #1 -- The reason Mike still gets dissed for that pick is that he already knew (even if he hadn't announced it) he was coming back, and that meant the Wiz were going to be in win-now mode. You aren't going to win now with a high school kid. Uh uh.

your favorite sun -- Alas, I couldn't find the video and I didn't see it live. Sad face.

anonymous #2 -- That's me. Bringing your dreams to life.

crash -- I thought he was hitting on Scot. You know, like a little kitten purr? Maybe it's just me...

brian -- Awesome. Yeah, I've been waiting for the right time to post that one.

Blogger Basketbawful said...
nick/buck -- It's also worth noting that Camby wans't playing. I'm sure he would improve the team defense, which was abominable.

Blogger Wild Yams said...
In response to the comment about how the Clips hung with the Lakers for a quarter and how they were missing Camby, the real problem that most teams are gonna face this year with the Lakers is the same thing that undid the Clippers last night: the Lakers' second unit. As I said yesterday, Luke Walton is not in the Lakers regular rotation, and it's not because he's suddenly awful or because Phil Jackson suddenly realized he's awful, but rather it's just because there really isn't any room for him anymore.

With Odom accepting a bench role and with Gasol's versatility to play the 4 or the 5 the Lakers are keeping two of the Bynum/Gasol/Odom trio on the floor at all times (until garbage time, that is). So now the Lakers have no less than two max-level frontcourt players on the floor at all times; and when the Lakers go to the bench they put in two subs who may actually be better at their respective positions than the starters are in Jordan Farmar and Trevor Ariza. The only real drop off at any one position when the Lakers go to the bench is Sasha Vujacic in for Kobe, but The Machine is quite good in his own right.

This means that the Lakers basically have starter quality players on the floor at all times, and you could see what that did to the Clips last night. Sure they hung with the Lakers for one quarter, but when the teams went to their benches the Lakers went on a 17-0 run and the game was never close again. Hell, even the three guys at the very end of the bench for the Lakers (Chris Mihm, Luke Walton and Josh Powell, the 10, 11 & 12 guys) in there for extended garbage time last night pushed the lead up.

That kind of depth is going to be a problem for any team that faces the Lakers, but it's going to be especially apparent against teams like the Clippers who don't have much of a bench.

Anonymous Don Paco said...
That Shaq/Pop video is the funniest thing I have ever seen in my life. EVER.

Also, anonymous said:

"I find that a lot more excusable than the GMs of competitive teams who keep giving Kwame decent sized contracts to keep, uh, "plying his trade." So Dumars deserves that fail tattoo before MJ."

Dumars is wasting 4 million bucks on Kwame. That's bad. But MJ wasted a no1 draft pick on him. That's a lot worse.

It's reasonable in the NBA to invest 4 million bucks in a "project" with "potencial" to have some "upside" even when it's obvious to everyone that he "sucks". Those 4 million will only have a negligible effect on Detroit's cap space.

It's not reasonable to waste a no1 pick on such a donkey. In that draft the Wiz could have gotten Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, Jason Richardson, Shane Battier or Joe Johnson.

The Spurs were picking 28th, and they got Tony Parker. Heck, even MJ's second round pick (Bobby Simmons at 42 in a complicated trade thingie) was arguably a better pick than Kwame.

So, let's not let MJ off the hook on this one, yes?

Blogger wessup said...
I was at the Sixers game on Wednesday, and it was amazing how empty it was. They moved up gametime to accomodate the Phillies game, and I half expected the arena to fill up later on (which didn't happen). It was so quiet that hecklers were literally having conversations with the Raptors. I have heard of courtside seat fans have verbal battles, but one hilarious heckler was 14 rows back. FYI do not taunt Jermaine O'Neal, JO got pissed off at this heckler...drove the ball from 15 feet and threw it down nasty, then ran backwards down the court and pointed at the fan! Only in Philly....

Blogger DDC said...
Wild Yams, do you happen to have a blog? If you do I gotta add that site to my favs. Bawful, I know the season just tipped off, but on the sucktitude scale where do you think the Oklahoma Thunder will eventually bear out?

Blogger DDC said...
Oh anoymous #1, MJ is arguably one of the worse GM's ever. I know he's a deity to some, but his GM track record is Matt Millen like.

Blogger David said...
bawful, I'm a Heat fan and even I am amazed that you didn't include Michael Beasley flaming out in his rookie debut.

The kid is good and will be fine...... but he put up a stinker last night (not all his fault, but a stinker nontheless).

Anonymous anonymous number one said...
I tried posting this before but it didn't go through. It was in response to bawful saying Jordan wanted to draft someone to win-now:

True, but how many other players at the top of that draft were ready to win-now? Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry sure weren't. Shane Battier went to four years of school and still wasn't ready to play for a winner. And even if he was, is Battier really worth a #1 pick? Was Jason Richardson, who of course plays the same position as both Michael Jordan and Richard Hamilton? Or Eddie Griffin, DeSagana Diop, Rodney White? Really the only correct choice appears to have been Pau Gasol, who got traded by the team that drafted him that night. So are we holding it against most basketball minds that they weren't omniscient enough to realize that a lanky 20-year-old was the only All-Star of the bunch? (well, Joe Johnson, at #10, also made an All-Star team, but once again he plays the one position that the Wizards didn't need then)

Basically Jordan made a bad pick in a relatively thin draft. Maybe if there were more people at the time saying "don't do it, Mike! He's a bum!" it would make more sense to rip on it so endlessly, but doing it now reeks of an attitude that our hindsight makes our judgement superior to all GMs who have made mistakes in the past. All I'm saying is that perspective is important.

Besides, the far worse move, one that looked stupid at the time and has looked progressively worse every year since, was trading Rip for Jerry Stackhouse. If you want to take out your resentment of Jordan the player on Jordan the general manager, that would be the move to attack.

Anonymous anonymous number one said...
(If this is a double post, I apologize, but I can't tell if the first one went through or not)

Now to the other responses: hopefully it's obvious that I'm not "letting MJ off the hook" for a bad pick. And don paco, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about--OF COURSE it's so bleeding obvious now that Tyson Chandler and even Bobby Simmons were worth the time and effort to develop into decent to very good players! But it was not obvious then, otherwise people would have been shouting "Hey, don't draft Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry! Draft that kid out of DePaul because he doesn't have a jumpshot now, but will develop one after three or four years in the league!" To rip MJ for not having a crystal ball and making a mistake that a lot of people made, and continue to make--ie, assuming Kwame Brown has upside--is to oversimplify the situation.

Hell, let's just look at Kwame's career path: Mitch Kupchak traded Caron Butler to get him to LA, then signed him to a big money multi-year deal. That he got to dump it while it was expiring for Pau Gasol does not take away the fact that the move that brought him over was excessively dumb. Joe Dumars this offseason gave him a contract for 2 year, $8 million(player option for his second year, so in the unlikely scenario that he actually gets good enough to earn his money, he could opt out and leave the team for more money elsewhere). The reason I think this is worse than drafting a tall, extremely athletic kid? Because tall, extremely athletic kids warrant high draft picks every year. Many of them flop. This is something that will not change anytime soon. However, when a guy's been in the league long enough for people to see that he's got severe problems in his game, has no interest in correcting those severe flaws because he's too busy planning parties, and will even wind up on a police blotter from time to time, and you STILL drop eight million on him? Even if the sum of Dumars's GMing is vastly superior to Jordan's(and it is...man, is it ever!), I would say that dropping millions on the kid AFTER he shows he contributes nothing is worse than drafting him when it still seems plausible that he can be a success.

Blogger Ari said...
Don't forget about Tim Thomas gloating around the court of that first quarter, then going on to shoot 4-10 from the field, 2-8 from the line, AND bricking at least four consecutive free throws. Ouch.

Blogger Pipo said...
this is wotn for shure: in 3rd or 4rd period of the houston @ dallas game today yao ming got rejected by the rim when trying to dunk! and he was all alone!
but somehow the refs saw some kind of personal foul by the rim and awarded yao with 2 fts... maybe there's already a video of this. maybe the nba's block of the night?

Blogger Wild Yams said...
ddc, unfortunately I don't have a blog. I'm too busy posting comments on everyone else's blog to have one of my own (even if I did take the off-season off).

Anonymous Don Paco said...
Dear anonymous number one: thanks for replying to criticism in a considerate way. No, really, I'm serious - it's very unusual to see someone getting criticized in a comments box and not lashing out with insults.

On to MJ - you summed up your point as...

"I would say that dropping millions on the kid AFTER he shows he contributes nothing is worse than drafting him when it still seems plausible that he can be a success."

That's a reasonable opinion. I'll respectfully disagree.

You're looking at process, I'm thinking of consequences.

My view is that Dumars' gamble is certainly ill advised; but the consequences for Detroit will be minimal: 4 million bucks in cap space for a couple of years.

Whereas MJ made a franchise-sinking mistake by blowing a rare top pick - even in a mediocre draft.

It's true anyone can get unlucky in the draft. But Kwame was arguably the very worst no1 draft pick ever (though the Kandi Man comes close, and Andrea Bargnani is moving up that ladder every day).

Anyway, whatever we think of the Kwame pick, I believe we can all agree that MJ's suckitude at GM is not confined to that draft selection.

Anonymous Barry said...
I would just like to say that that Hack-a-Shaq video is one of the best things ever.

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