The Boot

Andre Iguodala: Philadelphia's leading scorer (19.9 PPG) has a total of 20 points on 5-for-24 shooting in two playoff games against the Pistons. In last night's blowout loss, he managed only 4 points on 1-for-9 from the field. In my preview for this series, I said: "In the two (regular season) games Philly won, Andre Iguodala scored 22 and 25 points...Iggy's got to score for the Sixers to stay competitive." And what do you know? Last night he didn't score and they couldn't stay competitive. Dismissed as coincidence. Seriously, though, Iguodala needs to become more aggressive and really take it to the Pistons in Game 3. This means more drives and fewer jumpshots (seven of his nine FGAs last night were jumpers). Which should be easier, since the Sixers will be at home (which always curtails the opposing team's hands-on defense).

Andre Miller: He did decent job scoring the basketball (14 points, 6-for-11) but not passing it (3 assists, 3 turnovers). I also noted in my series preview that: "Andre Miller has to keep the offense running." He's much more valuable to his team as a playmaker than as a scorer (although his scoring his important too). He can't let Detroit turn him into more of a scorer than a setup man.

Philly's defense: I know they ran into a buzzsaw, because the Pistons were determined to redeem themselves after losing Game 1. But still...no club should be allowed to shoot 55 percent as a team in the postseason. This is the playoffs, man. The playoffs.

Mike Bibby: Bibs played pretty poorly in Game 1 -- 5 points, 2-for-10 shooting, 1 assist, 2 turnovers -- much to the raucous delight of the Celtics' home crowd. His response? Well, Bibby uncharacteristically fired a few volleys at the Boston faithful: "They are fair-weather fans if you ask me. They were kind of loud in the beginning (of Game 1), but a lot of those fans are bandwagon jumpers trying to get on this now. I played here last year, too (with the Sacramento Kings), and I didn't see three-quarters of them. They're for the team now and they might get a little rowdy, but that's about it."

Those were stupid words delivered at the worst possible time, and Boston center Kendrick Perkins couldn't believe it: "He said what? Coming off a 2-for-10 night shooting, you'd say something like that, too." Of course, Bibby -- already on a roll -- couldn't let that one go: "I don't know where (Perkins) got this tough streak from. His stat line was worse than mine. Anybody else, I might take a little (bit differently). Until he does something in his career, for him to come at me like that, it kind of upsets me."

Was he ever. Mikey-boy was so troubled by Perkins and his unfair comments that he went out and shot 2-for-7 and had 1 lonely assist. That'll teach that loser, Mike! Meanwhile, Rajon Rondo out-veteren-ed Bibby for the second straight game (12 points, 6-for-11, 6 rebounds, 8 assists, 4 steals). It got so bad that Atlanta coach Mike Woodson to replaced Bibby with bench monkey Acie Law IV. (And it should be noted that Law hit as many field goals in 21 minutes as Bibby has in Games 1 and 2.) The Boston Bandwagoneers noticed this, of course, and not only cheers for Bibby's return ("Whe-eres Bib-ee?") but also let him know where he ranks in the point guard food chain ("Ron-do's be-tter!" )

And you know what? Bibby still wouldn't shut up.

After the game, Bibs again went after both Perkins ("I thought he tried to hit me a couple of times, but I didn't really feel it.") and Celtics fans ("They know who they are. If they took offense, they must be part of it. I guess they are all bandwagon jumpers."). Keep talkin', Mike. Just keep on talkin'...

Josh Smith: Smith certainly played poorly enough to warrant WotN consideration -- 3-for-13 shooting, 5 turnovers, 5 personal fouls -- but the real reason he's here is because of something that happened less than a minute and a half into the game. Smith committed a hard foul on Paul Pierce in which he took Paul Pierce down, landed on him, and then rolled over his head. And I'm sorry, but you cannot tell me that occurred purely by accident. Pierce had to leave the game for a while, but it didn't effect the outcome. We'd probably have heard a lot more about this play if it had.

Joe Johnson: The Hawks' captain scored 11 points -- about half of his regular season average -- on 4-for-10 shooting, and he had 5 turnovers to only 1 assist. Now he knows how the captain of the Hindenburg felt.

Update! Mario West: Basketbawful reader friesenth gave me the following reminder: "You forgot to mention Mario West and his 31 seconds of zero-for-everything lack-tion." Indeed I did. Sorry.

Tony Allen: The low point last night for the Celtics was Allen's three trillion.

The Enver Nuggets: The Lakers scored 122 points on 50 percent shooting. Kobe went off for 49 points and 10 assists. And the Nuggets' defense -- which relies on ramble-scramble action and forced turnovers -- took the ball away from L.A. only 11 times. I said this over and over and over during the regular season: Enver uses a gimmick defense that cannot work consistently against disciplined teams. Which the Lakers (and most other playoff teams) are. And yet all sorts of people wanted to argue with me because they Nuggets ranked in the top ten in defensive efficiency. So...where are all those people now? Hello? Anybody out there? And for the record: According to Hollinger's latest stats, the Nuggets rank next to last in defensive efficiency during the playoffs (ahead of only Dallas). That sound you just heard was checkmate.

Kenyon Martin: This is what I wrote in my NBA Closer column today: "Assume that you're on a team that barely squeaked into the playoffs. Further assume that your team is perhaps hopelessly overmatched no matter what you do. Now assume you're facing off against the opposing team's best player, and that player is Kobe Bryant. Do you a) Pull a Shane Battier and work your butt off on D while quietly hoping for the best, b) Clothesline his arrogant ass, or c) Talk some smackity-smack to get him mad? Of course, the right answer is a, the righter answer is b, and the idiot's answer is c. Guess which one Kenyon Martin chose?" In other news, Kobe scored 49 points and the Lakers routed the Nuggets. But speaking of Kobe...

Kobe Byrant: Warning!! Kobe lovers should turn back now, or skip ahead to the next entry. If you are a Kobe lover and can't help but read the following criticisms, then please answer the embedded questions before going off on your own diatribe.

Leave it to the Mamba to use a brilliant game as an excuse to exude arrogance and classlessness...again. This was Game 2 of a first-round series. I repeat: Game 2 of a first-round series. Great players on great teams don't freak out about playing well in the first round, particularly in non-deciding games. I mean, other than Michael's crazy jumping-in-the-air celebration after hitting The Shot over Craig Ehlo in Game 5 of Chicago's first-round series against the Cavaliers, can you ever remember Jordan getting all smug about crushing some hapless eighth seed? And even in that example, Michael was at that time a five-year pro who had only ever won a single playoff series. Kobe's a 12-year veteran who's been on three title teams.

Yet there was Kobe, doing his fist pumps, flexing his biceps Hulk Hogan-style, blowing smoke off his fingers like he was poppin' caps, and screaming in primal rage. He also popped his jersey about 40 times after a made shot. Seriously. Watch the video. I know he's excited and everything, but is all that crowing really necessary? Does a (potential) MVP need to act that way? I mean, has any other NBA legend -- Bird, Chamberlain, Hakeem, Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Malone, Oscar, Robinson, Russell, Stockton, West -- ever rubbed a spectacular performance in his opponents' noses this much during an early game of a first round series? That's the exclusive province of guys like Chuck Person. You kind of don't expect that crap from an MVP candidate. Well, unless that candidate is Kobe.

(And for the record, I predicted this would happen.)

Update! Doc posted the following comment to this post: "Those are fair criticisms of Kobe. But why not weigh in against Garnett as well? He spent the fourth quarter pulling the same moves (screaming into the air, raising his arms to the crowd, shaking his head threateningly) against a sub-.500 playoff opponent that the Celtics were beating by 20. This is after Garnett had been shooting around 36% from the field. Kobe at least turned in a dominating all-around performance against a 50-win team, who were within 5 at one point of the fourth quarter. Can't argue with you that he has a real hard time exhibiting class, but those standards should be applied across the board, especially when the other guy in question is your MVP choice."

Those are good points, Doc. I'm slightly abashed to admit that I stepped away from the fourth quarter of that game to do a few things...so I didn't see KG's antics. For the record, I wouldn't have appreciated them. There is one caveat, though, which is tha Garnett has acted that way for most of his career: Winning, losing, up 20, down 20, in big games, in meaningless games. It's part of that whole intense "wildman" persona he uses to amp up his game. It just seems more like a natural behavior -- like a tea kettle letting off steam or a dog humping your leg -- than what Kobe did. You get the feeling that KG can't contain his freakosity; when Kobe does it, he's clearly trying to show his opponents up.

Update! George Karl: Once again, my oversights are corrected by a reader. Rob Mahoney from Upside and Motor had this to say: "Wait, you put Kenyon Martin and the Nugs on Worst of the Night, but no mention of George Karl? No love for the mastermind who decided Martin and Edward Najera were good covers for Kobe? I honestly think his Karlness would be offended that you wouldn't feature him in a post about the worst of the NBA." Far be it from me to offend somebody who took the "D" out of Enver.

Steven Hunter and Ira Newble: One of the hidden subplots of the Nuggets-Lakers series is the duel between lousy roleplayers. Hunter and Newble each had a one trillion last night.

Reggie Miller: Rob S. let us know that Reggie continues to give color commentary lessons in the Knave's English: "I'm just watching the Lakers-Nuggets game and there's about 4 minutes left in the third and Reggie Miller just said, 'Kobe garnishes a lot of attention,' like Kobe is a sprig of cilantro or something. One might suspect he meant to say Kobe GARNERS a lot of attention, but at this point I really don't think Reggie even knows what he means to say. Awful." As a long-time Pacers fan, I officially have no comment. (Although my unofficial comment is, "Gak.") Update! Another Miller-related tidbit from Austen: "How about an extra 'Worst of the Night' bit for Reggie Miller for that idiotic bit during the Nuggets-Lakers game regarding the Celtics/Lakers Finals Matchups. He went through three minutes worth of stats only to have his final point be 'so as you can see, having that #1 Seed is a real plus!' No s***, Sherlock!"

Update! ESPN, TNT, NBA TV, and ABC: More from Austen: "Another Worst of the Night should go to ESPN/TNT/NBA TV/ABC for completely ignoring the Jazz/Rockets series once the Jazz won that first game. Ever since then (and I noticed this last night), whenever the commentators would remind everyone of the games coming up the next couple of days, the next in the Jazz/Rockets series would be conveniently left out. The commentators wouldn't mention it, and there wouldn't be a line of text about it on the screen, either. I know the Jazz have this series sewn up and the league despises the Jazz in general for being a small market team knocking out big market teams, but this series still has 2 games left! I wonder if this is as insulting to Rockets fans as it is to this Jazz fan."

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Blogger Doctor said...
Those are fair criticisms of Kobe. But why not weigh in against Garnett as well? He spent the fourth quarter pulling the same moves (screaming into the air, raising his arms to the crowd, shaking his head threateningly) against a sub-.500 playoff opponent that the Celtics were beating by 20. This is after Garnett had been shooting around 36% from the field. Kobe at least turned in a dominating all-around performance against a 50-win team, who were within 5 at one point of the fourth quarter. Can't argue with you that he has a real hard time exhibiting class, but those standards should be applied across the board, especially when the other guy in question is your MVP choice.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
out of all the pics you could've used, you passed on luke walton getting blindsided by kleiza's size 13? i saw that happen so quickly live that it justified plunking down money on the PVR (without knowing they'd replay it at halftime)

and i must admit that even as a laker fan, enver DID have me worried. not because of their defensive stats (camby, iverson) but because the lakers have had absolutely no answer for kleiza & j.r. smith on the defensive end. kleiza's burnt them everytime they played for the past two years. iverson really isn't playing all that poorly, it's just fortunate that melo's shot selection has been brutal... especially with karl stressing so much about perimeter jumpers early into the shot clock. he's got ANY postup he wants as long as he takes a couple crab dribbles but just doesn't have the discipline to do so

Blogger Basketbawful said...
doctor -- Good points. I actually updated the post to address them.

anonymous -- I can't find that picture. If you can find a good one of the incident, I'll use it to replace Mamba's jersey pop.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Kobe's crowing last night was a bit over the top, but lets put it in context.

This is a guy that has been widely criticized, often unjustly, throughout his entire career. Kobe takes those criticisms to heart and uses it for motivation. He is criticized for his "me against the world" attitude, but it is that attitude that makes him so great.

I think Kobe was letting out some frustration from the past 3 years of not being able to perform on the biggest stage. Now he's back and he's excited. Last's night's performance was one of the great performances in NBA history, and that was his way of saying f-u to all the haters.

It probably also has to do with the fact that, as you point out, Denver's players insist on talking smack to Kobe.

You won't see the Spurs or Hornets running their mouth at Kobe and you won't seem him celebrating as excessively when they play those teams.

Long story short, it was excessive last night, but when put in context it is understandable.

Anonymous Al James said...
One small thing about the Pistons-Sixers game last night that I can't let go. Early in the first quarter, the Sixers' defense knocked the ball out of bounds with 5 seconds left on the Pistons' shot clock. Due to some technical problem the clock started a full three seconds before Prince inbounded the ball so the clock was already at two when it was in put in play. Despite clear video evidence, the officiating crew still slapped the Pistons with a 24 second violation. This might come off as splitting hairs but blunders like this should not occur in any game, let alone THE PLAYOFFS where every possesion could help decide the game (luckily for the Pistons, this time it didn't).

Blogger friesenth said...
Doctor - The difference between Kobe and Garnett is that Garnett has only once before been out of the first round, and never to the finals, let alone won a championship. Kobe has three rings and really shouldn't be that pumped about game two of round one. Though Garnett could have been a little classier as well.

You forgot to mention Mario West and his 31 seconds of zero for everything laction.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-lakers24apr24-pg,0,5272690.photogallery?index=3
a closeup would be better but this one has some man-love potential

Anonymous Anonymous said...
B-Bawful,

I did a little research. The biggest problem I have with your take on Kobe from last night is that evidence you provide to support your claim is misleading. You post makes it seem like Kobe was running around like a crazy person all game being an azzhole.

Here are the points I would make...

First, your fist pump picture is hardly a fist pump. Nothing arrogant about clinching your fist.

Second, your fist pump picture, bicep flexing picture, jersey popping picture, and screaming video are ALL FROM THE SAME PLAY.

And guess what, that was without question the most critical shot of the entire game. It sealed the deal and Kobe celebrated.

If you going to get on a guy for celebrating, lets not dissect his enthusiasm after hitting what was essentially the game sealing shot, thereby giving his team a 2-0 lead and ensuring a visit to the second round of the playoffs for the first time in 4 years.

Anonymous poptarted said...
A KG pop and a Kobe pop are two totally different things, like a dog humping a dog versus a dog humping your leg.

I was at said Celtics-Kings game last year and while Bibby is 100% correct that there are fair weather fans in Boston, it was a pretty dumb thing to say out loud. It was pretty cool to be able to get awesome tickets on cheap on game day, and to see Crazy Pills mohawk. I think its tough for any team to fill an arena every night with a team losing as much as the Celtics did last year. Also, the Celtics were playing the Kings that night.

Anonymous Shrugz said...
"Second, your fist pump picture, bicep flexing picture, jersey popping picture, and screaming video are ALL FROM THE SAME PLAY. "

wouldn't that make it worse? LOL
I can't really see the video till after work so i'll comment on it later

Blogger Wild Yams said...
As someone who has watched a ton of Kobe games, I too was a little puzzled by how much Kobe was flexing last night, and I was definitely put off by it. His new thing is to shake his head after he makes a shot, or if he makes it and gets fouled he just stares at someone in the first row for a second or two. He needs to just let his game talk for him and not go into all that nonsense.

I think if Phil Jackson hadn't pulled Kobe when he did that JR Smith would have either taken an extremely hard foul on Kobe or he would have just started a fight. That said, it was pretty impressive to see those two jawing at each other and then to see Kobe get the ball and just go right at Smith and get the basket and the foul for Kobe's last points. But I don't think Smith was going to stand for much more of being shown up like that. I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of scuffle in the next game or two.

Anonymous FW said...
Reggie's destruction of the English language will never Tim Hardaway's achievements during his brief time as a commentator (not during games). It was painful to witness.

Blogger Austen said...
How about an extra "Worst of the Night" bit for Reggie Miller for that idiotic bit during the Nuggets/Lakers game regarding the Celtics/Lakers Finals Matchups. He went through 3 minutes worth of stats only to have his final point be "so as you can see, having that #1 Seed is a real plus!" No s***, Sherlock!

Blogger Austen said...
Addendum:

Another Worst of the Night should go to ESPN/TNT/NBA TV/ABC for completely ignoring the Jazz/Rockets series once the Jazz won that first game. Ever since then (and I noticed this last night), whenever the commentators would remind everyone of the games coming up the next couple of days, the next in the Jazz/Rockets series would be conveniently left out. The commentators wouldn't mention it, and there wouldn't be a line of text about it on the screen, either. I know the Jazz have this series sewn up and the league despises the Jazz in general for being a small market team knocking out big market teams, but this series still has 2 games left! I wonder if this is as insulting to Rockets fans as it is to this Jazz fan.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
As someone who watched his team knock Garnett out of the playoffs many many times, he doesn't do it the hardcore gesturing no matter what. He gets the Kevin Garnett Scared face when games are on the line (ie see any of his first rd exits, or the 05 Lakers series). He only scowls and shows people up when he is up 10+ pts.

Blogger BadDave said...
To Austen:

Werd.

Regarding KG and Kobe, the only thing I have to add is that KG rarely, if ever, targets his shenanigans at another player. It's just unspecified emotion. Kobe often puts his fecal matter right in someone else's face. The ONLY time I have ever been in favor of that was when Reggie used to put his stuff on for Spike Lee. Gawd - the Knicks were such a great team to hate.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Kobe has no class, and he's showed it over and over again. btw, did anyone else notice how fake he was with the TNT crew after the game. I can't imagine any of teammates truly like this guy off the court.

Oh, and yeah Bibby is dumb to say that stuff during a series when everyone knows Boston is gonna kick the shit out of Atlanta....but at least give him respect for being spot on and calling Boston fans out for it. It's been the same way with the Sox. They win a World Series and everyone acts like they've been sorting through box scores since they were 8 years old.
Its exactly why Boston fans are the most annoying fans in sports.

Blogger Rob Mahoney said...
Wait, you put Kenyon Martin and the Nugs on worst of the night, but no mention of George Karl? No love for the mastermind who decided Martin and Najera were good covers for Kobe? I honestly think his Karlness would be offended that you wouldn't feature him in a post about the worst of the NBA.

Anonymous WizardPoop said...
Luke Walton getting kicked in the face was the top highlight of that game in my book!

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Millertime has been providing quality entertainment all week. my friend and i were trying to figure out which phrase he was shootin' for with his (& i quote directly) "head full of steam" comment the other night. Was he looking for 'full steam ahead' or 'a full head of steam?' As we were having a serious debate about it Reg goes ahead with a "garnish" blunder and we're dying. To top it off he repeated the "head full of steam" beauty again! Then last night he dropped the "garnish" again, as you reported(kale is actually a more common garnish). We figured we better swing over to UCLA and see what's really going on. Pure comedy!

Blogger Faizan said...
I haven't been watching these Lakers-Nuggets games. Has the officiating really been as bad as the Nuggets players are saying or is that just an excuse?

The difference between KG and Kobe: KG has pride, Kobe has arrogance.

Blogger starang said...
Kobe is a complete homo. He IS the best player on the planet, but he is also the OPPOSITE of how a player of his caliber should act. I hate Kobe's antics, I hate the flopping Manu and Timmy....and to be fair, I hate it when Nash does it too. I hate the trash talking...funny thing is, it hasn't worked!! The wiz opened a can-o-worm named King James, and now M Biby (Go Matadors) is gonna have the Boston crowd chanting till his head explodes.

Why can't these morons just play basketball? Put the ball in the hole, play 100% on defense, stand up and take a hit, and SHUT YOUR FUCKING CLOWN MOUTHS.

Now lets play ball.

P.S. Kobe is a homo, and HE is responsible for all the critics, he brought it on himself.

P.S.S Kobe is a homo, so all Kobe Lovers are homos by association. Thats right homos...you suck!

Blogger The wondering Mind said...
This time around the gloves are coming off. Hmmm..... there is biased and then there is Biased, you my friend are BIASED. If Kobe pisses you off so much, I suggest you skip the next five years cus the Lakers are only just getting started and Kobe will be mugging even more with my complete approval. After having endure idiocy like yours all these years about Kobe (justified or not), if my response sounds over the top then so be it.

People like you have made Kobe defenders this way. In your parasitic pursuit of page views and click counts, you all have lived off Kobe's jock but the piling on has also created a whole army of pissed off readers. The easiest way to ruin a post is to start talking shit about Kobe, it will get you page views but any attempt at dialogue is dead on arrival.

I understand why you all do it, it pays to be in the Kobe business, one idiot posts a series of pictures that were speculatively supposed to show what a great leader of men TD is but he does not think the post is good enough on it’s own and he inserts a negative Kobe comment in there to pull in the Kobe driven word searches. Lebron is such and such unlike, yep, you guessed it ….. KG is this and that, unlike that son of Satan Kobe. If it (he can be human after all) is so bad and evil, a non leader, selfish and all that, if all these negative traits are all inherent in that one individual, then a worse person this world will never, ever see. F YOU ALL, if he disgusts you so much smash your TV or sell it.


Dude, turn off the hate and you might enjoy the games more, people like you ruin the NBA for me. If you want to, you can delete this comment; the fact that you read it is all that I care about. B*T$H.

Anonymous Ambrósio Fódete said...
What a garbage excuse! You use double standards to say that garnet's behavior is natural, and because of that it's not wrong, but kobe's behavior is stupid and arrogant. You know what? some time ago you wrote an article in this same blog that proves you wrong! In that article you said that kobe lived the game like no other! And that's why he and garnet have that same behavior! And that's just normal when a guy feels like that...

You're an intelegent guy, but you are allways trying to find some little stupid thing to put him down, like other opinion writers do... and that's why kobe has the image that he has...

Blogger Wild Yams said...
Anonymous said - Kobe has no class, and he's showed it over and over again. btw, did anyone else notice how fake he was with the TNT crew after the game. I can't imagine any of teammates truly like this guy off the court.

I definitely picked up on the fake reaction after the game. Once they said Kobe was gonna be on afterwards I knew that was what they'd get. He's been shelled by the media so much in his career (fairly or not) that he seems to have buried whatever his real personality is way down in there somewhere. I almost think his classless showboating is possibly fake. It's a good bet he's a Cylon. Bean 1000 indeed.

Blogger Faizan said...
the wondering mind...

calm down, man

There's no need to take criticism of Kobe so personally. It's not like he's your father. I'm a huge KG fan and if someone criticized him in games 1 and 2 for taking too many jump shots, I wouldn't freak out about how other great players also take jump shots and how he's great at jump shots. I would nod my head and agree because it's true. It hasn't hurt his team yet, but it doesn't set the greatest example.

As far as double standards go, I think I'm remembering correctly an incident where Basketbawful criticized Garnett's arrogant behavior after the MIN@BOS game. Am I remembering this correctly?

Imagine if both KG and Kobe were kings. KG would be pounding his chest and talking a lot of trash about how his Kingdom is the best in the world. Kobe would be popping his robe and talking a lot of trash about how he is the best King in the world. He would also demand that a subject named Bynum be traded for a new subject named Kidd before acting like Bynum had been his favorite subject all along.

If all you saw were the two players' antics last night, you would think they were the same. But most people reading these comments and this blog are fans of the NBA and know more about the story of KG and Kobe than what happened last night. As a result, we know that KG is very loyal to his team and fought for a crappy team for a decade and then some. We know he was proud of his team during each moment and fought his heart out. We also know that Kobe was lucky to find himself on a great team and part of a great franchise and used these opportunities to become a special player and win 3 rings. Then, after a couple of first round exits (one of which was likely his own fault), he spoke out against his team. So we know that one will do anything for his team out of pride, will the other will do anything for himself without regard to the team. That's why some (many?) see their jersey popping antics differently.

As far as Kobe being the best player in the game: To me, that is something the LA media claimed over and over again until the rest of the world read it enough times to start believing it. I don't buy it.

Anonymous Don Paco said...
Woah - one Kobe bit and out come the Kobe Truthers.

Anyway, I'll say this in the Mamba's defense: his awesome quote...

http://www.nba.com/aroundtheassociation/080423.html

...about shaking trees and leopards falling out totally make up for his silly over-celebrating.

Anonymous Shrugz said...
I wouldn't be surprised if the Commish Stern Buttoned (yes it can be used as an adjective) this whole thing.
I mean seriously both Boston AND Lakers get loaded overnight ridiculous
two storied franchises getting loaded at the same time VERY suspicious

this is the equivalent of pittsburgh penguins getting the no.1 then no.2 (which might was well be no.1) then no.1 draft picks (especially the Sid Draft)

Blogger Stephen said...
Can't we just agree that Kobe is a douchebag? Let's find some common ground here, people.

Blogger Basketbawful said...
Crap. I'll try to reply to all of these comments as soon as I can...but faizan, you are correct. I've criticized KG and the C's for trashtalking at various points throughout the season. Also, great reply. I think I love you. In a Platonic way.

Anonymous Shrugz said...
I'll hate kobe's action but I won't hate kobe himself cuz really he doesn't matter to me that much which I think is a greater insult to him LOL

what matters to me is the Raptors!! and this blog :D

Anonymous your favourite sun said...
You got that Josh Smith/Paul Pierce play way freaking wrong. The foul wasn't on Smith, it was on Joe Johnson. And Smith did not "take him down."

Pierce burned Marvin Williams, was driving to the hoop and Johnson fouled him hard. Smith was coming over to block the shot(as he is wont to do), but because of Johnson's foul the collision was awkward, with Pierce in effect undercutting Smith. So yeah, I can tell you that it was purely by accident that Smith landed on Pierce and rolled on his head. You don't have to believe it but I can plausibly tell you that it's possible.

Check the replay: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt8cfoCH3Is

Perkins should have been pissed at Johnson, not Smith.

Anonymous jen said...
ok faizan, where do you get that kingdom analogy? kobe pops his jersey where LOS ANGELES APPEARS. he is repping his TEAM, his CITY, hes not pointing at his name on the back of his jersey, he's popping LA. you guys are seriously insane to be pointing out all the bad things about kobe. if he didnt show that emotion, you'd say he didnt care. if he wins mvp, you'll say its cuz he hasn't won it before. no matter what kobe does, theres always something these critics do to take it away from him. 49, 4 and 10. good %s. a win. if you were him dont bullshit and say you wouldnt be hyped up and show emotion. you guys are seriously just ridiculous.

Blogger The wondering Mind said...
Faizan,

After people like you wonder why I think you guys are all blinded by hate, what in God's name has your response got to do with my comment? I say one thing, you run off on a tangent on something else you probably had been dying to say along. Wild Yams you are either conflicted or a hypocrite.

Anonymous Ambrosio fodete said...
mister faisan,

That b.s. about kobe demanding that bynum trade is just another "one-sided view" of the question, and that's the most stupid thing a human person can do! Imagine you are a guy named kebo bryanto, and you have the skills to lead a team that has the potential to make a run at your only goal and you are at your prime (wich means that it's now or maybe never, unless if you have the kind of luck that kg, paul pierce and ray allen had), but you find yourself in a team that's one lonely piece shy of completing the puzzle, that piece being another great player (because no superstar can win championships be himself) and the only guy that had trading value in your ball club is a teenager that didn't seem ready to go all the way (wich was proven wrong by the guys in memphis... not). And don't forget that you're not like a vince carter kind of guy nor a carmelo anthony, you're a guy that has only one purpose when playing another nba season and that's winning the championship. What would you do? demand some changes or put your ass out of the team? i'm not saying that kobe's atitude was the best or even good, but no one's perfect, even MJ punched a couple of teammates... and i can asure you that if you talk trash to me i'll try to prove you wrong, but if you punch me the story will be a lot diferent!
but this just shows that for a team to win everyone has to be in the same f'ing page! that was what kobe asured, in day one of trainningcamp, to be the case.

But all this one-sided view of the story is what all of this kobe nonsense all starts! the haters only see the hater's side, the lovers only see the lover's side, my hope is that when he's retired he'll gain the MJ aura and be reminded only for his fantastic game and the titles and not for our stupidity (lover's and hater's).

sorry about the english guys...

Anonymous Ambrósio Fódete said...
and for the double standard part, i'm talking about this particular post. and all the posts that bbawful writes about kobe. he's allways taking him down for something that he does, even if he finds another guy doing the same, that other guy has allways one excuse, but as for kobe... he allways says that he's arrogant, douche, and any possible thing that a guy can say about any other guy without even knowing him...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
why do u need to fine some stupid reason to hate kobe this is a game he was show boating it is entertaining if you were the best in the league you would do the same thing

Blogger BadDave said...
As one of bawful's secret posse, I can, for a fact, tell you that if you asked him if he was biased against Kobe, he'd say, "Yes." He's never denied it, and frankly, I am too. (It's required to be in the posse, you see).

That's one of the aspects of fandom. You're welcome to come here and rant. I can prove it, since bawful has to approve posts, and he generally does, as long as it stays reasonable civil.

As for ciritizing Kobe, or any other player without knowing him, that's the right WE get as consumers of the NBA. I pay to go to games, to buy their crap at ridiculously overinflated prices, and to sit through their commercials that their TV contracts sell; I have the right to critizice the unlimited douchebagginess that Kobe is. You have the right to disagree. Ain't America grand?

As for Kobe being a Galactically Arrogant Tool, his behaviors have reflected that. Hell, Jordan (whom many on this site don't love as much as most) didn't rag on his team NEARLY as much at Sir Rape-a-Lot. Kobe's dogged out his team, his coach, his management. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised he hasn't made it T-mac's fault.

Honestly, class from the NBA is far rarer than in years past. Hell, Barkley and Laimbeer were some of the biggest asshole hombres around, and they didn't dog out their teams, or run ego-rampant. They just put their crap down the other team's throats. Sometimes literally.

So. What's acceptable, then? Here are some guidelines that I use when I determine a player's character:
1) The player gives glory to teammates and puts blame on himself.
2) Shows emotion without teabagging (literally or otherwise) someone on the other team or fans from the other team.
3) Stays out of trouble in life.
4) Plays hard. Doesn't quit.
5) Goes for the win, not the stats
6) Enjoys the game. Smiles occasionally.
7) Respects the other team. Note: respect does not equal like. It's okay to hate a rival, but you still gotta respect them. Good examples include old matchups of: Lakers/Celtics, Pacers/Knicks, Portland/Bulls, etc.

Long story short. If you want to flip out about this site bashing a player you like. Respond, or quit coming here. But don't expect it to change, or suddenly feel like YOU are going to suddenly make Kobe worth a damn peso in others eyes.

Blogger The wondering Mind said...
Baddave,

I can respect that. Perspective makes all the difference. What I can't stand is "shambollocks" being paraded around as objectivity.

Blogger BadDave said...
If you can find me a blog that's objective, I'll buy you an NBA franchise.

Of course, it'll have to be the Sonics....

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