A reader named
indyjones1024 tried to drop the whammy on me in today's
When is a flop a flop? post. Here's what he had to say:
"Here's my definition: In basketball, a 'flop' occurs when a clearly biased observer (read: basketbawful) overreacts to an embelishment [sic] of routine physical contact displayed by a player of the team the observer unabashedly dislikes (read: Spurs or Lakers), during a basketball game in which said team in [sic] competeing. A 'mental' or, some might say, 'moral' flop is committed when said observer fails to acknowledge, let alone denounce, examples of flopping committed by the teams he favors (read: Hornets or Suns), choosing instead to endlessly harp on those examples that 'prove' his bias against certain teams (read: Spurs and Lakers) is justified. This is often accompianied by photo graphic 'evidence' that proves his assertions."
I responded to this comment by creating yet another new term: The "critic flop." This happens when a quibbler tries to censure someone else's (read: my) opinion without providing specific examples of similar skulduggery (read: wholesale flop-a-paloozas by one of "my teams").
I also issued Mr. 1024 the following challenge, and I'm opening it up to everybody else who reads this site: Find an example in which either the Hornets or Suns were on the receiving end of
multiple flop-style offensive fouls in a single minute -- or even a couple of minutes -- during a critical stretch of a crucial home playoff game. And the calls should put two of the opposing team's best players in foul trouble.
If
anybody can do that, then I hereby promise to write a special post all about it, crediting my vanquisher and apologizing for my unforgivably biased rhetoric.
Okay. This is everybody's one-time chance to make me eat crow. Good luck.
Rules and restrictions: Entries where evidence is cited as "I remember this one time when..." will not be accepted. Winning entries must have some manner of verifiable evidence (video, AP recap, play-by-play, game log, etc.). Entries must meet the criteria described above because the incidents in last night's Hornets-Spurs game precipitated the discussion. Also note that I will not get into a semantic argument with entrants. As long as each play displays "an embelishment of routine physical contact," I will deem it an acceptable flop.
Note: The graphic accompanying this post is
not indyjones1024. It is, in fact, a picture of yours truly rocking an Indiana Jones costume last Halloween. You might not be able to tell, but those are movie-accurate clothes and props, including Indy's vintage British Mark VII gas mask bag. And just in case you're wondering: Yes, I will be wearing this costume, plus the leather jacket, when I go see Indy IV next week. [/geeking]
Labels: challenges, critics, fan submissions, Indiana Jones, officiating, Phoenix Suns, San Antonio Spurs
I know my objectivity as a Spurs fan can only go so far, but believe it or not, I too roll my eyes in disgust whenever Oberto staggers back out of traffic under the basket, or Tony sprawls out on the floor like he's birthing a hippo. I can admit that the Spurs do flop. I also know people flop against the Spurs, as the two examples I offered to you in the other post demonstrated. In the Suns series, I can recall back to back offensive fouls called on Manu and Tim in game 1, as a result of Steve Nash sliding under them and getting knocked down. Seems like that's the only defense he played against us the entire series. In game 2, 400 lb Shaq, of all people, did the same, and drew an offensive foul on Tim. The Nash plays were in a critical portion of the third quarter, and gave the Suns extra possessions, and also put Tim in some foul trouble (two of our guys fouled out of that game, if you'll recall), while stealing the momentum we had up to that point.
Dispite those calls, and others, going against us, I realize that the flops balance out over time, and outside of freak examples like the Detroit-Orlando game last week, games are hardly ever won or lost on the discretion of an official. You play hard, you win. You make mistakes, excuses, or just flat-out stink, you usually lose. The Hornets are a great team, and if they are the future of the league, then its in good hands. And yes, they do flop during games. But when that happens, I just shake my head and let it go, and hope our guys can get a stop on defense.
Anyways, I love your site and visit it everyday, despite my mixture of bemusement and indignation with the things you say about my team. Maybe we can discuss Indy IV next week instead.
Anyway, I think that in many ways the Spurs are the model of what I want a team to be, from ownership on down...except that some of their "winning tactics" -- the excessive flopping, Bowen's dirty tricks, Eva's admission that TP fakes injuries, Duncan's eye-goggling -- are all things I utterly despise about the sport. And, frankly, it seems worse to me when one of my favorite teams does it. It's like when Meat Loaf released that shitty Bat out of Hell III even though Jim Steinman tried to sue him to stop it. When my hero, or heroes, do things I don't like, I find it personally embarrassing. Like what Larry Bird has presided over in Indiana.
Take the Suns. My favorite team, right? But there have been so many times I busted on D'Antoni, or Nash's wandering defense, or Amare's inability to stay in front of someone, or even Raja's flopping. But Suns fans, rather than getting angry, usually just sigh and say, "You're right." And Spurs and Lakers fans, well, they certainly don't argue.
But when I bust on those teams for my various beefs, I'm someone targetting them alone. But, frankly, I think I have a pretty good track record for busting on pretty much everybody. Hence the whole "Basketbawful" thing.
Anyway, I'd love to discuss Indy IV next week. My email is on the page.
And yeah, I can only hope that Spielberg, Lucas, and Indy himself don't do to that franchise what Bird has done to the Pacers.
That costume is COOL-
And I mean like, Billy Dee Williams in "Return of the Jedi" smooth-cool, not Styles from "Teen Wolf" pseudo-cool.
Maybe it's the angle of the picture, but I don't see the bull-whip. And you need a short asian side-kick or a helpless female who always needs rescuing to really fill out the ensemble. Some Nazi henchmen would be cool too, but you should be able to find some of those, being that you live in the midwest and all :P
Nicccccce!
Liston the non-caucasian
al james -- No shite? Okay, dude: Pictures, please.
liston -- Yeah. Sorry 'bout that. But I'm multi-colored on the inside.
Uh, yeah, the Jazz could've used his help tonight, actually.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q4ZD6GiwxA
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8612/picture1yr9.png
Check out the e-bay listings on the right corner, including the Kapono autograph for one cent.
/flops
And for Indiana Jones remakes, all I can ask is if anyone has seen the South Park episode where Lucas and Spielberg digitally re-master all of their movies. If you have, then please let me know if the new Indiana Jones has a bunch of Ewoks and walkie talkies instead of machine guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqPBJ_6y_5A
Liston
I just burst into tears at the final buzzer -- so overwhelmed, I just didn't know how else to react.
Bring it on, Pistons!!
LOLZ at the Paulus flop. Since I live in NC, I've seen that several times. BEST FLOP EVER. If he ever gets an NBA contract, it will be much lighter because of that single play {NBA scouts note to self: can't flop worth a damn}
Which brings me to this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fYOgC2Qbqh4
Oh, and the best thing is that came out a year AFTER the "this is why you suck" Dook bashing video. As you can maybe tell, Dook ranks third in my bandwagon-teams-that-I-hate list: #1 The Yankees
#2 The Lakers
#3 Dook
Oh, and on topic. Couldn't agree with you more. I love the Spurs work ethic, I was a big Admiral fan, Pop is a great coach, and Timmy is the best 4 ever. But the flopping makes me sick and the dirty play makes me nauseous. I just can't get past that.
That said, I'd rather see Starbury get a trophy than kobe get #4.