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Are the 'Melo trade rumors killing Mr. Big Shot?
It's hard to tell. He already looks like a zombie.

The New York Knicks: The Bricks got a taste of some real defense...and they choked on it. New York shot 36 percent from the field and went 8-for-25 from three-point range. Hell, they even missed 12 of their 22 layup attempts at the Lakers repeatedly roughed them up and intimidated them with size.

Said Landry Fields: "They really packed the paint and made us a perimeter team. Guys got a little chippy out there, but it's fun to play like that sometimes."

Yep. I'm sure having one of your team's worst offensive outings of the season and losing by 22 points was a real blast, Landry.

Amar''''''e Stoudemire: It was just that kinda night for Sun Tzu...even before he got the Macho Man Randy Savage treatment from Ron Artest (see below). His final stat line looks impressive -- 23 points, 10 rebounds, 6 blocked shots, 4 assists -- but dude went 7-for-24 from the field and finished with a plus-minus score of -19. That shooting performance included going 1-for-10 in the first half, missing five of his nine layup attempts, and going 3-for-13 on jumpers. Oh, and he finished with zero dunks.

Then there was this...


From the AP recap: "I love it. I hope they keep it up," Stoudemire said of the Lakers' tough play. "All it does is fuel me and gets me going. I'm kind of glad, because the first half, it wasn't that physical. But the second half, it was, and I got going."

Uh, STAT, see the above stat line, plus the fact that your team was outscored by 17 points in the second half and lost 109-87.

Ron Artest: We were treated to some vintage Crazy Pills last night. First there was this...


...and then there was this...


Huh. Briefly choking somebody and then clotheslining somebody else all in the same game just over a week after confronting his coach in practice during what's turning out to be his worst pro season ever. I'm not sayin'...I'm just sayin'.

Said Mamba: "That's one of the strengths of Ron's game, to be able to do something like that."

By "something like that," Kobe must mean "thug and provoke." He's right. That worked out real well for the Indiana Pacers. I can only hope it works out just as well for the Lakers this season.

Kobe Bryant, quote machine: "[It] wasn't really physical. We're a little bigger than they are, so there was a lot of bumping going on, but it wasn't really physical. ... It feels like we're learning things. We did a much better job tonight defensively. Every game, it seems we're getting better."

The Sacramento Kings: The Purple Paupers entered last night's contest coming off a five-game stretch that included wins over the Grizzlies, Suns and Nuggets. Those victories represent nearly 50 percent of their season win total. Sometimes -- tho' it's rare -- it's good to be King(s).

The bad news? The Kings are 2-11 on the road and just started a six-game road trip through Toronto, Washington, Boston, New York, Detroit and Atlanta. And, well, things didn't get off to a very good start, as the Sactowners were without Tyreke Evans (sprained ankle) and lost what may end up being their most winnable game of the trip.

The Craptors scored 118 points on 58.5 percent shooting as DeMar DeRozan lit the Paupers up for 28 points on 13-for-20 shooting. Toronto opened the game with 10 straight made field goals. In all, the Mighty Dinos scored 19 layups and had four dunks. Toronto finished with 19 fast break points and 64 points in the paint. The only thing missing was a "Welcome" mat under the hoop.

Make it 10 consecutive road losses for the Kings. With more on the way.

Said Sacramento coach Paul Westphal: "We couldn't stop Bargnani or DeRozan or Barbosa, and to some extent Bayless as well. Our team defense really wasn't good enough to make up for their aggressive penetration."

That very nearly qualified for "unintentionally dirty quote machine" status.

The Golden State Warriors: The good news: The Warriors played enough defense to limit the Clippers to 39 percent shooting for the game.

The bad news: They gave up 62 points in the first half and fell behind by as many as 22 points before losing 105-91. The Clippers had 24 fast break points and 50 points in the painted region.

Golden State's bread and butter -- that is, offense -- failed them too. Monta Ellis went 4-for-19 and Stephen Curry finished 2-for-13. Ellis and Curry combined to shoot 0-for-11 from downtown as the Warriors shot 39 percent and gave up 32 points off 19 turnovers. They even bricked 10 free throws.

Said Golden State coach Keith Smart: "When you turn the ball over 19 times and you don't give yourself a chance to have a good look at the basket, that's going to hurt you. We settled too much for long jump shots, so we didn't shoot well like we had been, and that played a big part in it."

The Warriors are now 9-20 after their 6-2 start.

As for the Clippers...holy hell! Maybe they arne't who we thought they were. After opening the season 1-13 and sitting at a league-worst 5-21 on December 15, The Other L.A. Team has won seven of 10 games. Seven of 10!

Of course, it's worth noting, and you knew I had to do it, that those seven wins have come against the Pistons (12-24), Bulls (in their first game without Joakim Noah), Timberwolves (9-29), Suns (15-20 and imploding), Kings (8-26 and the worst team in the league), Nuggets (self-destructing) and Warriors (ditto).

But they, the Clippers are winning and Blake Griffin is the man, so what can I say? Oh, and here are some bonus lolz from the AP game notes: "Davis and Warriors F Vladimir Radmanovic exchanged angry words after Radmanovic fouled Davis midway through the second quarter. Teammates and officials eventually broke up their prolonged discussion, which Davis jokingly said was about their respective beards. 'I told him I had mine longer,' Davis laughed."

The Minnesota Timberwolves: The Timberpoops have been specializing in close losses this season. Seriously.

They opened the season with a one-point loss to the Kings. They lost by five points to the Lakers in L.A. The suffered a six-point loss in Atlanta and then lost by three points the next night in Charlotte. The lost to the Spurs in overtime on November 24. They lost by six points in San Antonio on December 3. Then there was a six-point loss in Phoenix on December 15. They had back-to-back road losses to the Blazers and Nuggets by five and two points, respectively. They then lost by five points o the Jazz and then by six points to the Nuggets. In the last week, they've endured a three-point loss in Boston, another three-point overtime loss to the Bobcraps and last night's three-point loss to the Spurs in San Antonio.

Fittingly, the game ended on a three-point airball by Anthony Tolliver with 0.9 on the clock.

Said Luke Ridnour: "I thought I had a pretty good look and just didn't knock that one down. And the same play we ran again [Tolliver's 3-pointer], they switched it. And it was a just a tough shot. They knew we needed a 3, so it was tough to get something when they're playing the 3-point line."

Kevin Love, quote machine: After three close losses to the Spurs, Love wants a little payback. He'll get his chance on Tuesday. "It's pretty frustrating because we match up against them pretty well. We've taken them to three very very tight games; an overtime game," Love said. "We owe them one on Tuesday, hopefully we can get that one and not sulk on this."

The Cleveland Cavaliers: Finally the Suns found a team they could beat!

In related news, the Cavs have lost 10 in a row and 20 of their last 21 games.

Said Cavaliers coach Byron Scott: "It burns! It burns!! Please make it stop!!!"

Okay. It's absolutely and totally official. Cleveland has reclaimed the title of "Most Depressing Sports City on Earth." Actually, just strike out the "Sports" part of that statement.

The Denver Nuggets: According to ESPN's Chris Broussard and Marc Stein, the New Jersey Nyets are "closing in" on a deal to acquire Carmelo Anthony.

So...did 'Melo think this was his last game in a Nuggets uni? Said Anthony: Uh-uh, not at all. Not at all. Not at all. Not at all."

That's right. Four "not at alls."

Well, he may not think he's finished in Denver, but he sure played like it. In 33 minutes of lacktion, 'Melo scored only 8 points on 3-for-11 shooting and was outplayed by Trevor Ariza (12 points, 5-for-9, 7 rebounds). According to ESPN Stats and Information: "It's only the fifth time in his career he has failed to score in double-figures when playing at least 30 minutes. The last time Anthony failed to score in double figures while seeing 30 minutes of action was in 2005, scoring seven points in 41 minutes against Portland."

Was the speculation -- not to mention 'Melo's crappy play -- affecting the Nuggets? Well, they fell behind by 19 points in the third quarter and ended up losing 96-87 at home to the Hornets. So, yeah, I think so.

Said Anthony: "There was a little bit of funk in tonight's game. I'll take responsibility for tonight's loss. I don't like to look at the stat sheet, but for me to take 11 shots, that's out of the norm for me."

You know what else is out of the norm for 'Melo? Getting booed by the home crowd. But it happened. And it noticed.

Said Anthony: "I hear it. Does it affect me? No. It hurt a little bit knowing that it's here coming from my home fans. But other than that, I try to go out there and play hard every night, do what I've got to do. If they like it, they like it. If they want to boo, then they want to boo."

Nuggets coach George Karl was quick to defend 'Melo. Hey, what else can he do? There's no way to know how much longer he's going to be coaching the guy.

Said Karl: "He passed the ball great, he moved the ball really well. Early in the game it was exciting to see our team move the ball as well as it did, but we didn't get a lot of reward to it. We missed a lot of easy shots. He had foul trouble. He was in a passing mode. I've always felt he could get 10 assists any time he wants to. He was doing what the game was telling him to do."

Whatever the game's telling him to do, it's not working. Remember: Denver was coming off consecutive double-digit losses to the Clippers and Kings. The ship be sinking. Hell, it's probably sunk already. And this is gonna depress the Nuggets faithful, but it's only going to be worse when 'Melo finally does get shipped out of town.

The Portland Frail Blazers: Give the Blazers credit: They held the Miami players not named Bosh, James and Wade to only 11 points. Unfortunately, the guys named Bosh, James and Wade scored 96 points...which nearly equaled Portland's total output of 100 points.

That's right. The Frail Blazers were essentially beaten by three players.

Miami shot 57 percent from the field as King Crab (44 points on 17-for-26 shooting), Pookie (34 points on 15-for-22 from the field) and the RuPaul of Big Men (18 points on 9-for-17) scored pretty much whenever they wanted.

Said Wade: "You look at games like this and moments like this and you really understand why we decided to team up and come together. I am a fan of his on the court and I am just glad I get to experience this in the same jersey he wears, instead of being on the other end."

For the record, Wade is talking about James, not Bosh. Sorry, Ringo Chris.

According to ESPN Stats and Information: "Miami has now won nine straight games overall and 13 straight on the road. According to Elias, the last team to win 13 straight on the road was the 2000-01 Philadelphia 76ers. The all-time record for consecutive road wins is 16 by the 1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers."

That Philly team went to the NBA Finals you know. Of course, they found out that they didn't have enough of a team to beat the Lakers. That lesson shouldn't be lost on the Heat. Think about it. The other six guys who played last night combined for 11 points on 4-for-14 shooting. Zydrunas Ilgauskas went scoreless and had one rebound in 18 minutes. Carlos Arroyo had 2 points and 3 assists. Erick Dampier, Eddie House and Mike Miller didn't play.

Right now, the only people D-Wade and LeBron are making better are each other. They're gonna win games that way. But I'm not sure that's championship basketball.

Chris's Lacktion Report:

Purple Paupers-Craptors: Talk about a true Mario Party of epic proportions in Toronto, as not one, not two, but THREE Purple Paupers populated the Mushroom Kingdom as SUPER MARIO BROTHERS - Donte Greene (at 4 seconds), Darnell "Lacktion" Jackson (at 1 second!!!) and Luther Head (at 3 seconds). This may be a new Association record!!!

Warriors-Clippers: Andris Biedrins brought his B-game to Staples Center, despite six boards in 25:44 as starting big man: he managed a brick, two giveaways, and a foulout for an 8:6 Voskuhl!

Heat-Blazers: Zydrunas Ilgauskas managed two assists and a board in 18:27, but tossed two pieces of masonry as starting center and lost the rock once, also fouling for a 2:1 Voskuhl. Fellow furnace Joel Anthony managed a stint of a whole 28:46, during which he fouled four times and gave up the ball once for a +5 that doubled as a 5:0 Voskuhl!

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Blogger chris said...
Okay. It's absolutely and totally official. Cleveland has reclaimed the title of "Most Depressing Sports City on Earth." Actually, just strike out the "Sports" part of that statement.


Yeah, I think Dan NEEDS to chime in now about the time we saw a lover's spat in some dark downtown Cleveland street...

Blogger Dan B. said...
chris -- Yeah, it's pretty bad when you can't even go to a bar in Cleveland without seeing some random couple yelling at each other very loudly and very publicly in the middle of the damn street. And it's not like this was even late at night or anything. It was maybe 9pm or so! Hardly time enough to get belligerently drunk. Or wait, it is Cleveland, so nevermind on that point. And afterwards Chris reminded me that some random homeless dude nearby was just minding his own business when he was accosted by the cops for some reason. Whatever.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I can't tell you how excited I was when the announcers revealed at one point that Joel Anthony had played 25 minutes with no points, rebounds, or assists, hoping that he would be setting an unprecedented, unbreakable trillion record.

Of course, those hopes were squashed when I saw the 4 fouls and 1 TO. Just a tremendous letdown from what could have been some all-time bawful

Anonymous kazam92 said...
I agree the other Heat players took a steaming dump when they were actually needed. The only role player that I can actually trust is James Jones. Mike Miller's extremely slow comeback is maddening. He's 1-14 FG for the season 0-8 on 3's....ugh. Ilgauskus might need to retire soon. We might as well start a tree at Center

Anonymous JJ said...
I think Clippers can squeeze into 8th seed this year. Many of Western conference playoff teams from last year are just falling apart this year. Not very likely, but definitely possible. I hope Clippers make it because that would be bawful and inspiring, all at the same time.

By the way, can someone please refresh my memory on Wade/Pookie thing? I know I read it when it started, but I can't remember it anymore and it's bugging me. Thanks.

Blogger chris said...
I guess the only saving grace for the Mistake by the Lake...

...is the presence of real-sugar Coca-Cola.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
So can all the people that kept claiming that the Lebron didn't win all those games in Cleveland single handedly please grab your finest silverware and start dining on crow now?

Blogger Will said...
chris and Dan B-The state motto of Ohio is "Don't Judge Us By Cleveland." True story.

Blogger Basketbawful said...
Yeah, it's pretty bad when you can't even go to a bar in Cleveland without seeing some random couple yelling at each other very loudly and very publicly in the middle of the damn street. And it's not like this was even late at night or anything. It was maybe 9pm or so! Hardly time enough to get belligerently drunk. Or wait, it is Cleveland, so nevermind on that point. And afterwards Chris reminded me that some random homeless dude nearby was just minding his own business when he was accosted by the cops for some reason. Whatever.

You're sure that was Cleveland and not Kokomo...?

I can't tell you how excited I was when the announcers revealed at one point that Joel Anthony had played 25 minutes with no points, rebounds, or assists, hoping that he would be setting an unprecedented, unbreakable trillion record.

Of course, those hopes were squashed when I saw the 4 fouls and 1 TO. Just a tremendous letdown from what could have been some all-time bawful.


Fuck. Anthony can't even fail right.

I think Clippers can squeeze into 8th seed this year. Many of Western conference playoff teams from last year are just falling apart this year. Not very likely, but definitely possible. I hope Clippers make it because that would be bawful and inspiring, all at the same time.

If Vinny Del Negro leads the Clippers to the playoffs after a 1-13 start, the universe will break in half.

By the way, can someone please refresh my memory on Wade/Pookie thing? I know I read it when it started, but I can't remember it anymore and it's bugging me. Thanks.

It came from one of those Tmobile commercials Wade did with Sir Charles.

So can all the people that kept claiming that the Lebron didn't win all those games in Cleveland single handedly please grab your finest silverware and start dining on crow now?

I'm not sure what you mean. The fact that LeBron is now winning three-on-five while teamed with Wade and Bosh somehow proves he was doing it by himself in Cleveland? Your Space Logic confuses this Earthling.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Clippers can't make the playoffs this year. Take a look at their schedule, especially the month of February.
http://www.nba.com/clippers/schedule/
That's a cute little ELEVEN GAME road trip in there. Someone at the NBA office doesn't like them.

Anonymous Anonymous said...
While visiting Portland this winter, I was thrilled to see that even city planners like to poke fun at the horror that is Cleveland sports.

Anonymous ZooTiger said...
I have to give praise to Ron with the Kurt Rambis clothes-line on Amare' and Spike flew out to watch it, I Love It!!! side note: Ron chokes someone, lays out "the ghost of Phoenix past" and Bynum gets ejected from the game.

Blogger Dan B. said...
Someone at the NBA office doesn't like them.

Hint: it's everyone. (Donald Sterling, ladies and gentlemen!)

Anonymous Shiv said...
@Bawful:

"I'm not sure what you mean. The fact that LeBron is now winning three-on-five while teamed with Wade and Bosh somehow proves he was doing it by himself in Cleveland? Your Space Logic confuses this Earthling."

I believe he meant Cleveland going from being one of the best teams in the league (in the regular season anyway) to the absolute worst.

An no mention for Duncan being outplayed by Darko?

Blogger draftaraujo said...
I think we can also declare Lebron runs on negative energy and he left Cleveland to have a infinite supply of it.

It just seems the crowds that heckle him the most end up getting burned, we saw it again in Portland last night. I remember being at the Toronto game where Bosh's G/F and his cousin were heckling Lebron, I believe he then dumped 16 points strait in the 4th quarter FTW. Video is on Youtube somewhere I would imagine.

Blogger Wild Yams said...
Mr. Bawful - Touching someone on the neck is not "choking" them. Yes Artest deserved that T for making contact with his neck, but he didn't go all Sprewell on the guy, so don't make it out like it was more than it was.

Also, that screenshot that kazam92 posted in the last comment thread of the TV crew listing Earl Boykins as Earl "Motherfucking" Boykins probably should have been posted in here somewhere. Just sayin'.

Blogger Michael Hsu said...
They also didn't censor Amare yelling 'GET THAT #$!# OUT OF HERE' on a Laker block.

Those mics on the rims are awesome.

Anonymous Angry Canuck said...
Andrea Bargnani is god, man!

Anonymous JJ said...
Bawful, thanks for the reminder.

Anon, I don't know if the road games will have that much of an effect since Clippers are not exactly defending the home court right now (though I guess they did get about 2/3 of current wins at home). Anyway, I know it's unlikely (read: impossible) for them to make it. I actually want to say I want them to fail so hard that Sterling will want to sell the team. But surprisingly, years of losing hasn't achieved that. And I have no reason to think more suckitude will make him change his mind any time soon. So, might as well wish they do well and make things interesting.

Anonymous Tree said...
@Wild Yams: is that picture real?!?

As a Raps fan, I have so little to enjoy in any given season, but that made the year for me. Even the look on his face seems to go with the caption.

Blogger Basketbawful said...
I believe he meant Cleveland going from being one of the best teams in the league (in the regular season anyway) to the absolute worst.

That team was constructed of roleplayers specifically chosen to service a superstar...as opposed to an actual, well-rounded team. Minus that superstar they're garbage. And? Still doesn't mean he won singlehandedly.

An no mention for Duncan being outplayed by Darko?

Eh, feck, my back.

Touching someone on the neck is not "choking" them. Yes Artest deserved that T for making contact with his neck, but he didn't go all Sprewell on the guy, so don't make it out like it was more than it was.

And don't you make it out to be less than it was. Artest didn't "touch him on the neck." He put his hand around his throat in an obvious choking gesture. Put it his way, let's say somebody at your job walked up and did that to you. What would you think? How would you react? Now throw in the fact that this happened in the midst of heated athletic competition.

Trust me, if somebody "touched my neck" that way in a pickup game, there would be problems.

Anonymous Bryan said...
I think to add to your ron artest post, you should have included that ron artest remained in the game after choking and clothes lining players but bynum got ejected for asking the ref, "Are you serious?" How does this happen?

Blogger Wormboy said...
Granted, Bron didn't win single-handedly. He did carry the team, which I think was the point.

Though Shaq left too.


Bwahahaha I couldn't imply with a straight face that Shaq was carrying the Cavs with Bron. :p

Blogger Basketbawful said...
And don't you make it out to be less than it was. Artest didn't "touch him on the neck." He put his hand around his throat in an obvious choking gesture. Put it his way, let's say somebody at your job walked up and did that to you. What would you think? How would you react? Now throw in the fact that this happened in the midst of heated athletic competition.

Trust me, if somebody "touched my neck" that way in a pickup game, there would be problems.


I should also point out that Ron also knew exactly what he was doing. He knew he was putting his hand on another man's throat to pantomime choking him in the same way he clotheslined STAT but left his arms up to pretend he wasn't doing anything. It's dirty shit, man. If this happened anywhere else, punches would be thrown.

I think to add to your ron artest post, you should have included that ron artest remained in the game after choking and clothes lining players but bynum got ejected for asking the ref, "Are you serious?" How does this happen?

That's an excellent point...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
@JJ
I read somewhere that Sterling had gotten a 'Godfather' offer of one billion dollars, still declined it

Blogger Wild Yams said...
Tree - Yep, that picture is real.

Mr. Bawful - I'm not making it less than it was, like I said, he deserved the T. But touching someone on the neck without any squeezing is not choking, it's touching. It may be touching in a gesture to imply choking, but that isn't choking. "Choking is the mechanical obstruction of the flow of air from the environment into the lungs." Artest did not do this. Period.

If you want to say that making such a gesture should result in an ejection or fine or whatever, then I'm cool with that, I know what Artest meant by making the gesture. But that still doesn't mean he choked the guy, so it's sensationalist to categorize it as such. To use your pickup game example, if someone did that to you and you walked away and said "I'm calling the cops to have you arrested for choking me" I doubt anyone else there would back you up.

Blogger Basketbawful said...
Yams, what would you prefer?

"Artest choked a guy."

Or:

"Artest put his hand around Shawne Williams' throat -- pantomiming choking him -- in a thug-like attempt to threaten and intimidate. This is very similar to what Artest did to start the infamous Brawl at Auburn Hills. Without actually punching or fighting in any way, Artest showed the kind of disrespect necessary in a charged situation that can and and has incited full-in retaliation."

Better? To-the-fact enough for you?

Blogger Wild Yams said...
Mr. Bawful - Neither one of those are accurate though, I don't know why my two options have to be that sensationalized. How bout this: "Artest put his hand on the guy's neck." That's all that happened after all. Am I wrong? I don't know why you feel the need to read into it what you think could have happened if something else had happened or whatever. He put his hand on the guy's neck, then took it away, he got T'd up for it, and that was the end of it. I mean, did I miss something?

Blogger lordhenry said...
Well, I'm glad to see this side of Ron come out. Usually, Ron is resorting to thug-tactics, it means he is trying really hard. Somewhere, a tear gleams in Bruce Bowen's eye.

Compared to the Rambis clothesline, though, it is piddly shit, when you factor in how gently Amare fell to the ground and the fact that Ron was already raising his hands up in Urkel's patented "did I do that?" stance as Amare was halfway to the floor.

I'm amazed that this and the above play both happened in the same game, but somehow Bynum got ejected. They have been handing techs out like ice-packs this season, and yet Ron gets away with some classic Ron behavior and remains in the game.

Way i look at it, Amare sold the contact well, but Ron was engaging in nefarious behavior. Still enjoy Ron playing the "Rodman" role on the team, we need it for those old, tough, Celtics.

Blogger Basketbawful said...
Neither one of those are accurate though, I don't know why my two options have to be that sensationalized. How bout this: "Artest put his hand on the guy's neck." That's all that happened after all. Am I wrong? I don't know why you feel the need to read into it what you think could have happened if something else had happened or whatever. He put his hand on the guy's neck, then took it away, he got T'd up for it, and that was the end of it. I mean, did I miss something?

Again, you want to say he just put his hand on a guy's neck when, in fact, the gesture was more than that. If you've ever been in a charged, competitive environment, you would know that doing shit like that is basically playing with fire.

Blogger Basketbawful said...
Following up what I just said, I suggest you go out and get into a physical pickup game where there's lots of pushing and shoving and tough talk, then, after jostling with somebody, put your hand around his throat in a choking gesture and just see what happens. Tell me what you find out.

Blogger Preveen said...
Right now, the only people D-Wade and LeBron are making better are each other. They're gonna win games that way. But I'm not sure that's championship basketball.

Can't disagree. Its worrying. Even if we aren't built for the championship this year its still nice for the fans if we do manage to win it all.
Center, thats what we need. PG might not be critical, Bron and Wade can put up double digit assists on this team (probably by passing to each other) :) Just need someone who can defend.

Anonymous AK Dave said...
Yams... I love you guy, but you can't defend Artest on this one.

Putting your hand on a person's shoulder is fine.

Putting your hand on a person's chest is fine (men. men you perverts)

Putting your hand in a lot of places is fine.

Putting your hand on a person's neck is NOT fine. The neck is a very vulnerable area of your body. If another person has their hand around your neck, you are at their mercy and in imminent danger of serious harm. What if Artest had squeezed? He could have seriously hurt him. Would you feel OK if Artest had his hand around YOUR neck?

It is, for many, even so sensitive as to be considered an erogenous zone. It is a part of your body that nobody- NOBODY- enjoys being touched on unless you're about to have sex with them. If your friend came up and put his hand around your neck like Artest did, you would smack it away and say "Don't fucking do that again." If someone came up during a basketball argument or even just during a normal conversation about the weather and put his hands on my neck like Artest did, shit might get real.

Seriously. You don't fucking wrap your hand around another man's neck. Ever.

Blogger Wild Yams said...
I'm not defending Artest, didn't you see above where I said if you wanna say he shoulda been ejected or should be fined that's cool with me? My only point is that putting your hand on someone's neck is not choking them, and to call it as such is sensationalizing it. If you want to give your opinion about what the gesture means or what you think the punishment should be, by all means, go ahead. But calling touching someone "choking" is just inaccurate. If you'd rather say that he touched him in a thuggish way, that it's threatening, that it could have led to a riot or whatever else, I've got no problem with that. Just be accurate in your description of the facts is all I ask. Again, am I wrong on this?

Blogger Basketbawful said...
If you'd rather say that he touched him in a thuggish way, that it's threatening, that it could have led to a riot or whatever else, I've got no problem with that. Just be accurate in your description of the facts is all I ask. Again, am I wrong on this?

Actually, I gave that as an alternate description above and you said...

Neither one of those are accurate though...

It was exactly that kind of behavior that led up to what happened in Detroit. He had been pulling little stunts like that with Ben Wallace for most of the night before delivering a needlessly hard foul, then, during the post-foul dustup, he laid down on the scorer's table, a Diet Coke got tossed, etc.

So what I'm telling you, and my whole point, is that Ron Artest was doing some crazy, needless shit. The kind of crazy, needless shit that leads to bad things happening. It didn't this game, and we should all be glad. But whether you think "choking a guy" is sensationalizing or not, what he did was a very dangerous and irresponsible act in a charged situation.

Anonymous Marylander said...
I'm a Lakers fan but i didn't like how Ron Artest behaved during the game. HOWEVER we do not what Shawne Williams said to Ron Artest before the altercation. What I see from the video is Ron-Ron was minding his own business after the whistle, Williams comes into the paint and says something. Then Ron-Ron chokes the guy. What Williams did wrong is that the poor guy picked the wrong guy to bully. A lot of teams playing LA being extra aggressive and most of the time they get away with it as LA is notoriously known as a soft team. And "let-them-play" officials don't call many fouls that should've been called. The bottomline is I think Ron-Ron is good for LA and there's a good reason other team fans don't like him. He fills a giant "softness" hole in the team. The only way to beat the Lakers is to call couple quick fouls on Ron Artest and then see how things play out.

Blogger Wild Yams said...
Mr. Bawful - I don't think either of your two descriptions were accurate, but one is you stating a fact and the other is you injecting your opinion about what you think might have happened if something else had happened. You should definitely give your opinions on things, it's what this site is based on really, but if you're going to describe something that happened, you should be accurate about the descriptions. Saying he choked someone is just wildly inaccurate. It was a gesture more than anything, and he certainly didn't squeeze.

Again though, I'm not defending Artest and saying it should be totally OK for players to place their hands on each other's necks, cause I don't think that should be OK. I think a T was warranted, and I think the refs intervened and handled the situation appropriately. FWIW, Artest agrees with you that it was a slip back into his old "thuggish" behavior and he's vowed to not do it again. From his Twitter: "i wont be that aggressive if yal looking for that just mental toughness that was the old ron today i dont know where he came from / bye bye old RON too much emotion for me i am getting old / YAL HAVE TO WATCH BOXING OR UFC TO SEE THAT. i was actually very mad at myself for gettin that emotional piece out tweeters"

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